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Our LA have told us that this is why the Plate is on the outside of the vehicle because it remains their property and they can remove it at any time. We used to put plates in the back window for a short time but this is now a no no because they cannot gain access to it there.


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Our LA have told us that this is why the Plate is on the outside of the vehicle because it remains their property and they can remove it at any time. We used to put plates in the back window for a short time but this is now a no no because they cannot gain access to it there.

One of our chaps was actually interviewed under PACE and received an official caution for having his plate attached to the inside of the rear window.

In our manor they use the PACE interview as an official fishing trip. There is a way round it, but you have to be quick & have your wits about you.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

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plates are mounted outside a vehicle specifically so LOs can remove them


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

In our manor they use the PACE interview as an official fishing trip. There is a way round it, but you have to be quick & have your wits about you.

:wink: :wink: :wink:


Isnt the best way to ask for the 6 inch thick PACE document they are supposed to provide and let you read at your leisure before the interview commences ?

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grandad wrote:

The bit in red seems to sugest that the license can be suspended until the vehicle has been passed as fit. The last paragraph sugests to me that if the vehicle has not been passed fit within 2 months then the plates shall be deemed to be revoked.


Yes grandad, but the plate is not a license.

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Correct the plate is only to identify to the public that the vehicle is licensed by the Council, the plate remains the property of the LA and is theirs to do with as they see fit.


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In Nottingham, the plates are removed before the test and you only get them back when the car has passed.


In order to remove the plate under revocation or expiry, the council has to comply with section 60 of the 1976 Act, thus giving rise to the licence holder's right to continue working under section 77.

. Under section 58 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976, the plate may only be returned to the council (by written notice, after which the licence holder has seven days from the service of the notice in which to do this) for three reasons:- the revocation of the licence, the expiry of the licence, or the suspension of the licence under a section 68 notice of mechanical fault on the vehicle or its meter.

Section 45 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1947 places as much importance on the plate displayed on the hackney carriage vehicle as on the paper licence issued for that vehicle.


In order to remove the plate under revocation or expiry, the council has to comply with section 60 of the 1976 Act, thus giving rise to the licence holder's right to continue working under section 77.

C.C saidThe plates were returned when the council realised, via the ombudsman, that the owner should have been given the right to appeal and he should have been allowed to continue to trade subject to the appeal.
This was a report on an Investigation into Complaint No 99/C/2407 against Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council March 2000.


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
taximan wrote:
Our LA have told us that this is why the Plate is on the outside of the vehicle because it remains their property and they can remove it at any time. We used to put plates in the back window for a short time but this is now a no no because they cannot gain access to it there.

One of our chaps was actually interviewed under PACE and received an official caution for having his plate attached to the inside of the rear window.

In our manor they use the PACE interview as an official fishing trip. There is a way round it, but you have to be quick & have your wits about you.

:wink: :wink: :wink:
I hope you're council is providing a lawyer for the driver... at their expense... read the rules and regulations regarding.. PACE....

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
taximan wrote:
Our LA have told us that this is why the Plate is on the outside of the vehicle because it remains their property and they can remove it at any time. We used to put plates in the back window for a short time but this is now a no no because they cannot gain access to it there.

One of our chaps was actually interviewed under PACE and received an official caution for having his plate attached to the inside of the rear window.

In our manor they use the PACE interview as an official fishing trip. There is a way round it, but you have to be quick & have your wits about you.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

I hope you're council is providing a lawyer for the driver... at their expense... read the rules and regulations regarding.. PACE....

Now that is a good point, I'd forgotten about that.

In fact it is a very, very good point indeed.

But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
taximan wrote:
Our LA have told us that this is why the Plate is on the outside of the vehicle because it remains their property and they can remove it at any time. We used to put plates in the back window for a short time but this is now a no no because they cannot gain access to it there.

One of our chaps was actually interviewed under PACE and received an official caution for having his plate attached to the inside of the rear window.

In our manor they use the PACE interview as an official fishing trip. There is a way round it, but you have to be quick & have your wits about you.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

I hope you're council is providing a lawyer for the driver... at their expense... read the rules and regulations regarding.. PACE....

Now that is a good point, I'd forgotten about that.

In fact it is a very, very good point indeed.

But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.
Yes... just keep saying no comment... I do not remember the occasion

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But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.


Explain the way around.

PACE is the Police and Criminal Evicence act......it has somthing called procedure and the interviewer should tell the interviewee their rights and provide the PACE act for the interviewee to read shouldnt they?

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But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.

Explain the way around.

PACE is the Police and Criminal Evicence act......it has somthing called procedure and the interviewer should tell the interviewee their rights and provide the PACE act for the interviewee to read shouldnt they?

CC

If you provide a full, complete written statement of the event which you are being questioned about at the beginning of the interview & refer any questions to the statement, you may state that you have nothing further to add.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.

Explain the way around.

PACE is the Police and Criminal Evicence act......it has somthing called procedure and the interviewer should tell the interviewee their rights and provide the PACE act for the interviewee to read shouldnt they?

CC

If you provide a full, complete written statement of the event which you are being questioned about at the beginning of the interview & refer any questions to the statement, you may state that you have nothing further to add.


Yes, but how many times does that happen to the daft cab driver?

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But as I said there is a way round PACE, but you have to be quick.

Explain the way around.

PACE is the Police and Criminal Evicence act......it has somthing called procedure and the interviewer should tell the interviewee their rights and provide the PACE act for the interviewee to read shouldnt they?

CC

If you provide a full, complete written statement of the event which you are being questioned about at the beginning of the interview & refer any questions to the statement, you may state that you have nothing further to add.

Yes, but how many times does that happen to the daft cab driver?

CC

I once had an incident with a passenger, who I reported to the police; she was drunk, accused me of going the long way & tried to steal my driver badge. A police car just happened to be passing & they went to speak to her in the chip shop she had disappeared into.

The passenger complained about me by phone to the licensing enforcement officer. The licensing officer then harrassed the passenger for seven weeks to make a written statement, finally obtaining the statement.

By the time I was called in, I produced a hand written statement which I had scribbed contemporaneously & a typed statement, because no one can read my writing. I referred the interviewers to my statement & refused to answer any further, referring them constantly to my statement.

The best bit was when I asked them whether they had driven the three possible routes I could have taken on the journey to ascertain the different mileages & they replied that they had not.

Classic!!

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If I was to give anyone any advice on what to say and do during a PACE investigation, it is to say and do f*** all.

Nuff said. :wink:

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Sussex is right. If interviewed under PACE you have the right to silence. Say nothing to give your solicitor plenty of options AND you get a copy of the evidence against you before you need to respond. It just takes a little bottle.


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