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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:21 am 
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Reasonable condition or policy???

I suppose the council felt obliged to act after a cab driver and a passenger died and the Crown Coroner inquest told the council they really should check the standard of drivers in the area.

Another group who threatened to join the NTA......without giving the NTA all of the reasons why the council dreamed up the DSA test.

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My points were;

The drivers are already licensed drivers.

They have six points on their license.

They have not been disqualified by the courts from driving.

In view of these points, would an appeal, by an aggrieved driver or person to the courts on the grounds that the condition is unreasonable, be successful?

And, in the case of a HC driver it must be a byelaw & I doubt very much if the DfT lawyers would sanction such a byelaw.

So, in the case of a Craven HC, the council could well be acting 'ultra vires'.

But then, what's different about that where the majority of councils are concerned.

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The six points required for the penalty imposed by the L.A. would have to be in the same year. If for instance you had 3 points and the council renewed your badge and later you got 3 more points, the council cannot make you take the test. Once your badge is renewed you are considered fit and proper,
all older offences cannot then be held against you.


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tom2907 wrote:
The six points required for the penalty imposed by the L.A. would have to be in the same year. If for instance you had 3 points and the council renewed your badge and later you got 3 more points, the council cannot make you take the test. Once your badge is renewed you are considered fit and proper,
all older offences cannot then be held against you.


I disagree.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
My points were;

The drivers are already licensed drivers.

They have six points on their license.

They have not been disqualified by the courts from driving.

In view of these points, would an appeal, by an aggrieved driver or person to the courts on the grounds that the condition is unreasonable, be successful?

And, in the case of a HC driver it must be a byelaw & I doubt very much if the DfT lawyers would sanction such a byelaw.

So, in the case of a Craven HC, the council could well be acting 'ultra vires'.

But then, what's different about that where the majority of councils are concerned.


http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2006/306.html

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2004/2836.html

Thus, addressing the questions posed by the magistrates in their case stated, in my judgment the requirement to pass the DSA driving test was not a condition attached to the grant of a license which must be fulfilled before the Borough Council would consider whether or not to grant a hackney carriage driver's license. Rather, it was a policy which the District Council applied when considering whether an applicant was a fit and proper person to whom to grant or renew a license. Given that policy, the District Council was reasonably entitled to consider it necessary that it should receive information whether the applicant had or had not passed the DSA driving test. Accordingly, the requirement that the applicant should so inform the District Council was a requirement for information within section 57 of the 1976 Act.



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