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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Going back to "billybobs" original posting.

It must all depend upon the LO's reason for approaching you.

You were, after all, in their manor and might have been trading.

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wee eddie wrote:
Going back to "billybobs" original posting.

It must all depend upon the LO's reason for approaching you.

You were, after all, in their manor and might have been trading.


id assume he WAS "trading" - no offence there, if he was PLYING then that IS an offence

Billybobs was talking about spotchecks though, presumably he meant on vehicles and drivers, etc

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:34 pm 
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I would guess that if he was doing a pre-booked pick-up, for the while that he was in their area, he came under their jurisdiction.

But that is only a guess.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:31 am 
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wee eddie wrote:
I would guess that if he was doing a pre-booked pick-up, for the while that he was in their area, he came under their jurisdiction.

But that is only a guess.


mmmm, he wouldnt come under the regs the LO in a different LA applies though would he, and a LO has no stop powers, they need VOSA or the police for that, who in turn arent to know what particular regs a visiting HC or PH are bound by

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wannabeeahack wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
I would guess that if he was doing a pre-booked pick-up, for the while that he was in their area, he came under their jurisdiction.

But that is only a guess.


mmmm, he wouldnt come under the regs the LO in a different LA applies though would he, and a LO has no stop powers, they need VOSA or the police for that, who in turn arent to know what particular regs a visiting HC or PH are bound by

If you take five areas....A.B.C.D.E. what happens is that the licensing officers are then licensed by all areas. and have the power to inspect

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:55 am 
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MR T wrote:
If you take five areas....A.B.C.D.E. what happens is that the licensing officers are then licensed by all areas. and have the power to inspect

You have less crooks operating.

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Sussex wrote:
MR T wrote:
If you take five areas....A.B.C.D.E. what happens is that the licensing officers are then licensed by all areas. and have the power to inspect

You have less crooks operating.


wont happen, it would take a committee and laws passed to share the funding to pay for training, would area A police as much as area B, or C or D or would E take the funds and never see a hack/PH from B or D or....

the permutations are endless

if 1 area had incoming vehicles from ALL the others - cos they have an airport - they would be doing 5 times the "other area" checks as those other areas...

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wont happen, it would take a committee and laws passed to share the funding to pay for training, would area A police as much as area B, or C or D or would E take the funds and never see a hack/PH from B or D or....

the permutations are endless

if 1 area had incoming vehicles from ALL the others - cos they have an airport - they would be doing 5 times the "other area" checks as those other areas


Been happening in Merseyside for the last 10 -15 years... all it takes is an agreement between the council's... and I know that Manchester started doing the same thing one or two years ago....

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Si if i drop at Manchester airport i can be checked over by a local LO?....who wont know what regs i have to run under?

i.e. 1st aid kits/extinguishers/car mileage limits/colour/signage/etc/etc......

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Si if i drop at Manchester airport i can be checked over by a local LO?....who wont know what regs i have to run under?

i.e. 1st aid kits/extinguishers/car mileage limits/colour/signage/etc/etc......

If he reports you to your LO for not having something that your LA doesn't insist on then there's no problem.

But the enforcement issue is more about safety of the vehicle i.e. tyres, and safety of the customers i.e. is the driver licensed and not pis*ed.

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I sometimes wish my LO had the manpower to do spot checks, especially with the state of some of the cars round here; according to reports some are filthy inside, smell like ashtrays and worse because drivers continually smoke in their cars and allow punters to smoker as well, who then expect to smoke if they get in our cars. Then there's the illegal ranking and touting n the High Street of PH cars...


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I sometimes wish my LO had the manpower to do spot checks, especially with the state of some of the cars round here; according to reports some are filthy inside, smell like ashtrays and worse because drivers continually smoke in their cars and allow punters to smoker as well, who then expect to smoke if they get in our cars. Then there's the illegal ranking and touting n the High Street of PH cars...


Yes, lets have em sort thier OWN LA's plated vehicles first, if they cant do that how can they do visiting vehicles who only wanna get home ASAP

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:38 am 
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If I dropped off at Manchester and was approached by a Manchester LEO who wanted to check my vehicle I would ask him under what authority did he ask to check my vehicle. He would no doubt simply say that he was an LEO and I would reply that his LA did not license my vehicle and therefore had no authority. I would refer him to the first line of Section 68 of the 1976 Act:

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68 Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect...


I would then suggest that before his LA let him loose on enforcement duties they should provide adequate legal training first. I would suggest some reading material for him, starting with the 1847 and 1976 Acts, write these down on a page of my notebook, tear it out and hand it to him.


It is a matter of principle that abuses of power should be challenged.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:36 pm 
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This "at all reasonable times" bit is a strange one. What is considered "reasonable"? Ours were recently doing inspections at one in the morning on a Sunday. They started at eight in the evening on the Saturday and went through.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:17 pm 
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grandad wrote:
This "at all reasonable times" bit is a strange one. What is considered "reasonable"? Ours were recently doing inspections at one in the morning on a Sunday. They started at eight in the evening on the Saturday and went through.


It just goes to show that LEOs routinely break the law. It would be reasonable to inspect a line of HCs plying for hire on a rank at any time. It would not be reasonable to inspect vehicles in the presence of a queue of punters at a rank.

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