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Fascinating subject. That appears quite clear until you actually go into it.

Someone mentioned you could do a Plymouth to Plymouth job when licensed in Luton. Well I think you could do an Exeter to Exeter job but not Plymouth to Plymouth because Plymouth is unique and has its own Act of Parliament. So you can't quote Plymouth in relation to Misc Prov.

For the guy on the Borders of Epsom etc. You would only be allowed to give work from your Epsom office to Epsom licensed PH vehicles. But you could give it to a hackney licenced in the area the job was being done.

A guy in Newcastle spent a fortune fighting the cross border issues and lost. I think the fact remains that reality has moved on way beyond what anyone could dream that communication systems :lol: could be when the laws were written and the interpretation evolved in case law is protectionist.

Quite where we will be when we have nationwide circuits and cars moving about all over the country I don't know.



got to say cannot see nationwide curcuits.

the vast differential in rules between local authorities add to this difficulty, of a nationwide curcuit.

as I have said before there are great land mass of areas without any taxi or private hire provision at all, and the big boys are only interested in the urban mass.

this is very different from the arising of national bus companies where all the top players first bus, stagecoach, and arriva, were all born in the rural belt. that area that had little demand on service, little competition, but large subsidies.

the real quailty players in taxi and private hire, those that want to be the best and give good service are in the rural areas.

at the moment all the urban guys are wanting to trip over to watford for nowt.
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Someone mentioned you could do a Plymouth to Plymouth job when licensed in Luton. Well I think you could do an Exeter to Exeter job but not Plymouth to Plymouth because Plymouth is unique and has its own Act of Parliament. So you can't quote Plymouth in relation to Misc Prov.


I think you could do that, because you are licensed from elsewhere.

Your analogy would prohibit a Plymouth licensed vehicle doing an Exeter to Exeter, not the other way around.

I think. :?

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Quite where we will be when we have nationwide circuits and cars moving about all over the country I don't know.


I think that issue was going to be addressed by it's inclusion in the RRA.

It was and still is in it, but has been missed by many who sole concern is the issue of quotas, which was also in it.

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got to say cannot see nationwide circuits.


Maybe not nationwide circuits, but I can see no good reason why you can't have a nationwide operators license.

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got to say cannot see nationwide circuits.


Maybe not nationwide circuits, but I can see no good reason why you can't have a nationwide operators license.



ok sussex its unknown in anyother industry like buses so lets fly a kite,

Who will issue the licenses who will police it?

how do you see this happening?
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A PH licence is already national isn't it?

As long as your "Operating Centre" and cars have the same licences, you can work anywhere in the Country with them, same as we do with our PH minibuses. What I wondered, was whether the same was true for a Hackney.

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I beleive a Hack can do telephone booked jobs anywhere as well.

Obviously he cannot be flagged down though.

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A PH licence is already national isn't it?

As long as your "Operating Centre" and cars have the same licences, you can work anywhere in the Country with them, same as we do with our PH minibuses. What I wondered, was whether the same was true for a Hackney.


there is a case about a kwick save supermarket serviced in the midlands from a firm in the adjoining town. or over the border the judged ruled unlawfull.

I am not sure Andy that you are right I think there has to be a connection with the area you are licensed in.

so you can pick up at man air, but it mist come back or end in yer licensed zone.

thats how I read it
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A PH license is already national isn't it?


Yes other Andy you are right, but I think the proposals in the RRA could lead to an operator in say Manchester, passing on work to a Wigan licensed PH.

The vehicle and the driver would have to be licensed in the same district, but not the operator.

I think. :?

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A PH license is already national isn't it?


Yes other Andy you are right, but I think the proposals in the RRA could lead to an operator in say Manchester, passing on work to a Wigan licensed PH.

The vehicle and the driver would have to be licensed in the same district, but not the operator.

I think. :?


The RRA was kicked out before it reached government SM. The OFT report was suggested by you, to see the implimentation of some of the RRA ideals. It didn't.

The law is clear enough, when a telephone booking is recieved by a Licensed Private Hire Operator and given to a driver in a vehicle where all three licenses are held with the same licensing authority that job can be completed quite legally with a pick up point and drop off point anywhere in the country.

I believe the supermarket case quoted was deemed unlawful because vehicles were making their way to the supermarket to wait for a booking.
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So Mr Guest, you are in favour of stupidity.

Please read the Newcastle judgment, where basically the court told the government to sort out the act.

Why did they say that, because Mrs PM was acting on behalf of the operators.

I would say there is a far better chance of cross-border hiring being sorted out, than de-limitation.

And I still think de-limitation is odds on. :wink:

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A PH license is already national isn't it?


Yes other Andy you are right, but I think the proposals in the RRA could lead to an operator in say Manchester, passing on work to a Wigan licensed PH.

The vehicle and the driver would have to be licensed in the same district, but not the operator.

I think. :?


The RRA was kicked out before it reached government SM. The OFT report was suggested by you, to see the implimentation of some of the RRA ideals. It didn't.

The law is clear enough, when a telephone booking is recieved by a Licensed Private Hire Operator and given to a driver in a vehicle where all three licenses are held with the same licensing authority that job can be completed quite legally with a pick up point and drop off point anywhere in the country.

I believe the supermarket case quoted was deemed unlawful because vehicles were making their way to the supermarket to wait for a booking.



bullshit
it was deemed unlawfull because the car licenses the drivers licensed and the opperators license was all from the LA 10 yards down the road.

stop guessing and making it fit your prejudice.
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it was deemed unlawfull because the car licenses the drivers licensed and the opperators license was all from the LA 10 yards down the road.

stop guessing and making it fit your prejudice.


It was deemed un-lawful, because it was outside of the law.

However the court said, in so many words, the law is an ass.

And they were spot on. :wink:

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