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the scottish taxi federation want to go one better not only do they want to dictate what uniform, they also want to tell you what vehicle you drive so you all look like they http://www.worldsfastestclown.com/clowkart.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:33 am 
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I do not see how councils can stipulate a dress code, I would research it further, HUMAN RIGHTS ACT 1998 etc.


Please do, it would be interesting to see what the legal position is.

However, in general terms I don't think the Human Rights Act applies to LAs carrying out regulatory functions, so their might not be much mileage in it.

Which particular right in the Act did you have in mind?

Dusty
Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties." :shock: :shock: :shock:
I am only suggesting that this section of the Act may be relevant. Someone else may know or think differently. Personally, I have no problems with dress code. Our company supplies smart pale blue shirts, navy blue jumpers and navy jackets, all with company logos. We are also expected to wear tie, decent dark trousers and shoes. This professional attitude, together with the pristine condition of our vehicles, (both PH and HC) means job satisfaction, high customer awareness and praise and a consistent quality service whether doing a £2 or a £200 job. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:59 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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I do not see how councils can stipulate a dress code, I would research it further, HUMAN RIGHTS ACT 1998 etc.


Please do, it would be interesting to see what the legal position is.

However, in general terms I don't think the Human Rights Act applies to LAs carrying out regulatory functions, so their might not be much mileage in it.

Which particular right in the Act did you have in mind?

Dusty
Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties." :shock: :shock: :shock:
I am only suggesting that this section of the Act may be relevant. Someone else may know or think differently. Personally, I have no problems with dress code. Our company supplies smart pale blue shirts, navy blue jumpers and navy jackets, all with company logos. We are also expected to wear tie, decent dark trousers and shoes. This professional attitude, together with the pristine condition of our vehicles, (both PH and HC) means job satisfaction, high customer awareness and praise and a consistent quality service whether doing a £2 or a £200 job. :lol: :lol: :lol:




Bearing in mind of course, Ties can be dangerous they can be used to choke


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Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties."


I think that this was the article used in the Royal Parks case, which is where my opinion expressed earlier came from.

For those who don't know the case, a London PH firm said that a byelaw banning them from the Royal Parks was discriminatory and breached the Human Rights Act because black cabs were allowed in.

I think the judge said that if a public authority was carrying out regulatory functions then the the provisions of the Act were irrelevant as long as the relevant rules were reasonable. I don't know if anyone has tried challenging dress codes, but I'm assuming that they too would be deemed reasonable.

I think the point is that if these rights were relevant to regulation then the LAs wouldn't be able to do anything basically.

It would certainly be the end of numerical restrictions!

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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties."


I think that this was the article used in the Royal Parks case, which is where my opinion expressed earlier came from.

For those who don't know the case, a London PH firm said that a byelaw banning them from the Royal Parks was discriminatory and breached the Human Rights Act because black cabs were allowed in.

I think the judge said that if a public authority was carrying out regulatory functions then the the provisions of the Act were irrelevant as long as the relevant rules were reasonable. I don't know if anyone has tried challenging dress codes, but I'm assuming that they too would be deemed reasonable.

I think the point is that if these rights were relevant to regulation then the LAs wouldn't be able to do anything basically.

It would certainly be the end of numerical restrictions!

Dusty



there is a whole difference between security issues and human rights legislation.

no matter what could the local council insist on the dress of its own employees?

if so why do social workers look so bloody scruffy?


you are wrong binnie


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:38 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I do not see how councils can stipulate a dress code, I would research it further, HUMAN RIGHTS ACT 1998 etc.


Please do, it would be interesting to see what the legal position is.

However, in general terms I don't think the Human Rights Act applies to LAs carrying out regulatory functions, so their might not be much mileage in it.

Which particular right in the Act did you have in mind?

Dusty
Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties." :shock: :shock: :shock:
I am only suggesting that this section of the Act may be relevant. Someone else may know or think differently. Personally, I have no problems with dress code. Our company supplies smart pale blue shirts, navy blue jumpers and navy jackets, all with company logos. We are also expected to wear tie, decent dark trousers and shoes. This professional attitude, together with the pristine condition of our vehicles, (both PH and HC) means job satisfaction, high customer awareness and praise and a consistent quality service whether doing a £2 or a £200 job. :lol: :lol: :lol:




Bearing in mind of course, Ties can be dangerous they can be used to choke
In that case I'd better have an extra 4 for tomorrow night Mick !!! :lol: :lol: :lol: You never know in Gatesheed 8) 8) 8)


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Bearing in mind of course, Ties can be dangerous they can be used to choke


that why thay have clip on ties. punter grabs it and it just pulls away in their hand.


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that why thay have clip on ties. punter grabs it and it just pulls away in their hand.


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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties."


I think that this was the article used in the Royal Parks case, which is where my opinion expressed earlier came from.

For those who don't know the case, a London PH firm said that a byelaw banning them from the Royal Parks was discriminatory and breached the Human Rights Act because black cabs were allowed in.

I think the judge said that if a public authority was carrying out regulatory functions then the the provisions of the Act were irrelevant as long as the relevant rules were reasonable. I don't know if anyone has tried challenging dress codes, but I'm assuming that they too would be deemed reasonable.

I think the point is that if these rights were relevant to regulation then the LAs wouldn't be able to do anything basically.

It would certainly be the end of numerical restrictions!

Dusty
Did the bye-law specifically ban Private Hire (presumably unlicensed) or specifically allow Hackney Carriages ? There is a world of difference when it comes to interpretation of legislation. :?: :?: :?:


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I think they allowed the taxis and didn't mention PH, presumably as they didn't exist as a legal concept.

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Whatever Mick wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps Part 2 Article 1 Protection of property, which states, "Every natural or legal personis entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however,in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties."


I think that this was the article used in the Royal Parks case, which is where my opinion expressed earlier came from.

For those who don't know the case, a London PH firm said that a byelaw banning them from the Royal Parks was discriminatory and breached the Human Rights Act because black cabs were allowed in.

I think the judge said that if a public authority was carrying out regulatory functions then the the provisions of the Act were irrelevant as long as the relevant rules were reasonable. I don't know if anyone has tried challenging dress codes, but I'm assuming that they too would be deemed reasonable.

I think the point is that if these rights were relevant to regulation then the LAs wouldn't be able to do anything basically.

It would certainly be the end of numerical restrictions!

Dusty



there is a whole difference between security issues and human rights legislation.

no matter what could the local council insist on the dress of its own employees?

if so why do social workers look so bloody scruffy?


you are wrong binnie


Knowing Scotland it will be 2nd hand shell suites from the PDSA shop, cabbies like to wear them up there.


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jeans and trainers are banned by dudee council , i haven,t heard of anyone being caught but there is a very small number of drivers usually part timers who regulary wear both it will be interesting to see what punishment is handed out when one is caught there is meant to be another purge this month by the enforcement officers on illegal cabs maybe a few will be caught then...



you are joking surely?

its now 2004 and a taxi drivers cannot wear jeans and trainers, dreadful.


Whats wrong with that? you want to give the impression of being a professional driver to the public and visitors to your city then why not?
what looks better, a clean car with the driver wearing shirt, trousers, shoes or getting in to some dirty cab with the driver wearing a scabby old t-shirt, shorts, slippers and not shaved for a few days? (dont laugh i've seen it!!) and then they wonder why they are losing business to those who at least make some effort to look like they take their job seriously.




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ive never understood why anyone wears trainers in the first place, they may be comfy but there bad for your feet if worn for prolonged periods due to poor support ,they also make your feet sweat and

they are useless for kicking people...



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