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It depends on how much of a mutual agreement there is. The area in which this particular subject has been mentioned has probably been slightly misunderstood.... the Joint Trade Committe. Ok... its Brighton. But I do not regard the JTC there as a Cartel.


I would bet a thousand pounds to a penny, that these meetings aren't minuted. :wink:


I really dont get this Sussexman. I have said that they are minuted and each company receives a copy and I also believe that the HCO receives a copy. And speaking from my own experience a copy of these minutes is posted up in my office for all to see. I fail to see what you are getting at?

Would you like me to send you a copy of the next one and in return you can send me a cheque? :wink:


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I think what you are confusing, is perhaps some sort of meeting where all the trade i.e. unions, associations, operators, council etc get together, and the sort of meeting that only the operators attend.

I would be very surprised if the council received minutes about blanking a Tesco's, and black listing Medigen. :?

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I think what you are confusing, is perhaps some sort of meeting where all the trade i.e. unions, associations, operators, council etc get together, and the sort of meeting that only the operators attend.

I would be very surprised if the council received minutes about blanking a Tesco's, and black listing Medigen. :?


Good grief.. cant win with you at all. As far as I know there is no meeting where by the council do not attend. If you are suggesting some clandestine meetings...well feel free to suggest. Of course the companies speak to each other between meetings.. Thats the great relationship that they have.

And what would be wrong about a policy of blanking Tescos ie not agreeing to pay in excess of £20,000 for work and letting tesco's and their customers phone whoever they want encouraging competition amoungst all the cab companies. Or indeed about agreeing to be forced to go through Medigen. Is this information that is illegal. I dont think so.Explain to me why this sort of information would not be put into print?

But anyway. I do believe that this main interest in Brighton is just triggered through envy. :wink: Does your area ( wherever that may be) have such a good working relationship between companies :wink:

Its always the same isnt it.... When something really works well, others are full of resentment. :lol: :lol:


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And what would be wrong about a policy of blanking Tesco's ie not agreeing to pay in excess of £20,000 for work and letting tesco's and their customers phone whoever they want encouraging competition amoungst all the cab companies. Or indeed about agreeing to be forced to go through Medigen. Is this information that is illegal. I dont think so.Explain to me why this sort of information would not be put into print?


Well, I think that what you describe is ill-legal.

If you are saying that the agreement to blank Tesco's was agreed by all the operators, and minuted, then that to me is anti-competitive.

But I'm not an expert on most things, let alone competition law, so maybe the admin of TDO could ask OFT for their comments.

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Does your area ( wherever that may be) have such a good working relationship between companies :wink:


Yes, they do have a good working relationship, or at least they pretend too. :?

As for my area, well it's the second largest town in Sussex, and my most favorite union has a big f*** off hotel right on the front.

I think members stay there, just before they jump off the local land-mark. :wink:

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And what would be wrong about a policy of blanking Tesco's ie not agreeing to pay in excess of £20,000 for work and letting tesco's and their customers phone whoever they want encouraging competition amoungst all the cab companies. Or indeed about agreeing to be forced to go through Medigen. Is this information that is illegal. I dont think so.Explain to me why this sort of information would not be put into print?


Well, I think that what you describe is ill-legal.

If you are saying that the agreement to blank Tesco's was agreed by all the operators, and minuted, then that to me is anti-competitive.

But I'm not an expert on most things, let alone competition law, so maybe the admin of TDO could ask OFT for their comments.


For goodness sake TESCO'S HAS NOT BEEN BLANKED!!! we have just agreed not to bid for paying in excess of £20,000 EACH YEAR for the privilage of picking up there. It is left to either the store staff to call whoever they want or the individual customers to ring their favourite most reliable taxi company. I would say that this would give a highly competititve, non-monopoly form of service. But then you would disagree to this wouldn't you just for the sake of actually not agreeing with anyone. :wink:


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Does your area ( wherever that may be) have such a good working relationship between companies :wink:


Yes, they do have a good working relationship, or at least they pretend too. :?

As for my area, well it's the second largest town in Sussex, and my most favorite union has a big f*** off hotel right on the front.

I think members stay there, just before they jump off the local land-mark. :wink:

So it must be Eastbourne that you work in. So why not just state it. No need to be embarrassed :lol:

Well I too have had a search around on the net for all the web sites of all the taxi companies in Eastbourne. And guess what...not single one has a web site.. (Google search: Eastbourne Taxis) Unless you know better. So I can not obtain the same info as you did for the Brighton taxis... who are obvioulsy much better organised :wink:


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If you are describing a cartel as being better organized than a non-cartel, then you may be right.

But I most certainly wouldn't shout it from the roof-tops.

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For goodness sake TESCO'S HAS NOT BEEN BLANKED!!! we have just agreed not to bid for paying in excess of £20,000 EACH YEAR for the privilage of picking up there.


But then why didn't your firm bid, say a £100 for it?

Or did the cartel not want you getting exclusive work, for very little out lay?

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For goodness sake TESCO'S HAS NOT BEEN BLANKED!!! we have just agreed not to bid for paying in excess of £20,000 EACH YEAR for the privilage of picking up there.


But then why didn't your firm bid, say a £100 for it?

Or did the cartel not want you getting exclusive work, for very little out lay?


Because we would have had to go through medigen...keep up matey Oh...but I forgot.. you support this way of contract work dont you. You support the likes of medigen.


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Because we would have had to go through medigen...keep up matey Oh...but I forgot.. you support this way of contract work dont you. You support the likes of medigen.


But you, and the cartel, surely must be dealing with them already.

Or is this a new way of operating i.e. not working with Medigen? Can then the drivers expect a reduction in their dues?

Or will all the money stay in the ivory towers?

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Because we would have had to go through medigen...keep up matey Oh...but I forgot.. you support this way of contract work dont you. You support the likes of medigen.


But you, and the cartel, surely must be dealing with them already.

Or is this a new way of operating i.e. not working with Medigen? Can then the drivers expect a reduction in their dues?

Or will all the money stay in the ivory towers?


Dear oh dear..This really is becoming long and drawn out....

WHy do you ask me if the drivers can expect a reduction in their dues. What has this got to do with you? Why are you SO interested.???

I can only speak for experience on my Association whereby it is non-profit making for the benefit of the full members. Additionally, for your information we run a system whereby ALL the running costs are split equally. By this I mean that any discounts and such like are subsidised by all of the members and not individual drivers. I mention this as I know that on at least one of the other companies (privately owned) the drivers pay INDIVIDUALLY for discounts etc. ie. A driver does a job on account but he has to subsidise that particular discount for that account at source. ie a £5 job run at 10% means he only gets £4.50.

And what Ivory Towers are you referring too..please explain?


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Because we would have had to go through medigen...keep up matey Oh...but I forgot.. you support this way of contract work dont you. You support the likes of medigen.


But you, and the cartel, surely must be dealing with them already.

Or is this a new way of operating i.e. not working with Medigen? Can then the drivers expect a reduction in their dues?

Or will all the money stay in the ivory towers?


Dear oh dear..This really is becoming long and drawn out....

WHy do you ask me if the drivers can expect a reduction in their dues. What has this got to do with you? Why are you SO interested.???

I can only speak for experience on my Association whereby it is non-profit making for the benefit of the full members. Additionally, for your information we run a system whereby ALL the running costs are split equally. By this I mean that any discounts and such like are subsidised by all of the members and not individual drivers. I mention this as I know that on at least one of the other companies (privately owned) the drivers pay INDIVIDUALLY for discounts etc. ie. A driver does a job on account but he has to subsidise that particular discount for that account at source. ie a £5 job run at 10% means he only gets £4.50.

And what Ivory Towers are you referring too..please explain?



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WHy do you ask me if the drivers can expect a reduction in their dues. What has this got to do with you? Why are you SO interested.???


For years drivers have been asked to pay extra dues to help finance free-phones.

If the cartel are going to pay less, if anything, for those free-phones, then surely the dues should be reduced as well.

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WHy do you ask me if the drivers can expect a reduction in their dues. What has this got to do with you? Why are you SO interested.???


For years drivers have been asked to pay extra dues to help finance free-phones.

If the cartel are going to pay less, if anything, for those free-phones, then surely the dues should be reduced as well.


(Sussex youve missed the point, cartel divides the spoils hense they have never paid the high fees, tesco for a start is new)


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