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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:36 am 
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They can be licensed by the local authority but be illegal operating for private hire.


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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:43 am 
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doblo wrote:
They can be licensed by the local authority but be illegal operating for private hire.

NO.

If they are Licenced as a Taxi, they ARE LEGAL. They can be used as Private Hire in or out of the Licensing area in which they are Licenced.

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 Post subject: Hackney carriage
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Can a Hackney carriage work for private operator!


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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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You have started yet another thread.

The answer is YES.

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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Spamming the board will just pi$$ off the admin..... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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I see drivers are spouting the law and sections of the bye laws, why don't they use the law correctly to help the Local Authority enforce these laws. Local Authority are always pleased when you point out irregularities of the law, HA.
Hackney carriages can't operate with two meters!


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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:22 am 
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doblo wrote:
I see drivers are spouting the law and sections of the bye laws, why don't they use the law correctly to help the Local Authority enforce these laws. Local Authority are always pleased when you point out irregularities of the law, HA.
Hackney carriages can't operate with two meters!

You never asked if a Hackney could operate with 2 meters.

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:26 am 
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doblo wrote:
I see drivers are spouting the law and sections of the bye laws, why don't they use the law correctly to help the Local Authority enforce these laws. Local Authority are always pleased when you point out irregularities of the law, HA.
Hackney cyarriages can't operate with two meters!

And who said they can't ?

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:09 am 
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doblo wrote:
I see drivers are spouting the law and sections of the bye laws, why don't they use the law correctly to help the Local Authority enforce these laws. Local Authority are always pleased when you point out irregularities of the law, HA.
Hackney carriages can't operate with two meters!

If a Hackney Carriage is operating within its own Licensing Area (LA) then it must use the meter which is set to the LA Tariff.

If the Driver wishes he may charge the metered fare, the Driver may charge less than the metered fare if he or she wants. Nothing precludes the use of a second meter that charges a rate different than the Tariff. Within the LA area it must be the same or less than the tariff that the LA set, outside the LA area and acting as a PH the Driver can charge whatever he or she feels and may use a meter, sealed or unsealed to do so.

Doblo, I am wondering if you are a Taxi Driver, a PH Driver, a Licensing Officer struggling to understand the Law or an aggrieved passenger. The tone of your questions make me think you could be any of these.

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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question from locked and duplicated topic

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Well what section does a hackney carriage operate with two meters


what is in the taxi is a matter for the local authority, it is not a statutory requirement that taxis have meters although almost all make it a condition, these will be set in the proprietors conditions.

In respect of taximeters the specific areas of the law are;

1847 TPCA s68

Commissioners may make Bye Laws for regulating hackney carriages.

The commissioners may from time to time (subject to the restrictions of this and the special Act) make byelaws for all or any of the purposes following; (that is to say,)

For regulating the conduct of the proprietors and drivers of hackney carriages plying within the prescribed distance in their several employments, and determining whether such drivers shall wear any and what badges, and for regulating the hours within which they may exercise their calling:

For regulating the manner in which the number of each carriage, corresponding with the number of its licence, shall be displayed:

For regulating the number of persons to be carried by such hackney carriages, and in what manner such number is to be shown on such carriage, and what number of horses or other animals is to draw the same, and the placing of cheek strings to the carriages, and the holding of the same by the driver, and how such hackney carriages are to be furnished or provided:

For fixing the stands of such hackney carriages, and the distance to which they may be compelled to take passengers, not exceeding the prescribed distance:

For fixing the rates or fares, as well for time as distance, to be paid for such hackney carriages within the prescribed distance, and for securing the due publication of such fares:

For securing the safe custody and re-delivery of any property accidentally left in hackney carriages, and fixing the charges to be made in respect thereof.

1976 LGMPA s47(1)

Licensing of hackney carriages.

(1) A district council may attach to the grant of a licence of a hackney carriage under the Act of 1847 such conditions as the district council may consider reasonably necessary.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing subsection, a district council may require any hackney carriage licensed by them under the Act of 1847 to be of such design or appearance or bear such distinguishing marks as shall clearly identify it as a hackney carriage.

(3) Any person aggrieved by any conditions attached to such a licence may appeal to a magistrates’ court.

1976 LGMPA s68

Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect and test, for the purpose of ascertaining its fitness, any hackney carriage or private hire vehicle licensed by a district council, or any taximeter affixed to such a vehicle, and if he is not satisfied as to the fitness of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle or as to the accuracy of its taximeter he may by notice in writing require the proprietor of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle to make it or its taximeter available for further inspection and testing at such reasonable time and place as may be specified in the notice and suspend the vehicle licence until such time as such authorised officer or constable is so satisfied:

Provided that, if the authorised officer or constable is not so satisfied before the expiration of a period of two months, the said licence shall, by virtue of this section, be deemed to have been revoked and subsections (2) and (3) of section 60 of this Act shall apply with any necessary modifications.

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:42 am 
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Spamming the board will just pi$$ off the admin..... :wink:


this is the 5th post on the same subject ](*,)

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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all posts now merged into on concise thread in the legal section :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:18 pm 
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Many of the taxis here work with private hire circuits and the requirement from our LA is that the taxi driver, if booked on a private hire job, must always have their meter on and must change the lesser of the two fares. Private hire don't have meters here they charge by the mile using their trip meter in their vehicle although quite a few systems now have built in meters. It would help if you provided a little bit of history to explain why you are asking the question :?

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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doblo wrote:
How many illegal hackney carriages are working for private operators in England.

Not sure how many unlicensed hackneys are doing so, but 1000s of licensed ones are legally working.

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 Post subject: Re: Hackney carriage
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doblo wrote:
They can be licensed by the local authority but be illegal operating for private hire.

What is your point, as the above is not true?

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