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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:03 pm 
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It is my contention that GBC is in self-denial of the facts

I do not make any claim to being an expert on the London Cab Trade but the evidence I offer in support of my claim that GBC is in self-denial will be backed up with factual evidence. I expect nothing less from anyone else who makes a statement of fact?
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Err, we're on an internet forum with about 50 active members JD, its not a Magistrates hearing.

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GBC wrote:
How many threads are running on this one? Can you keep it simple under one banner, its like turning into an Edinburgh topic.

Your memory seems to be good, so you will recall that this started over my view that people claimedThe London Taxi trade opposed any form of licensing of Minicabs


You are entitled to your view but it is my view that the London cab trade was against the separate licensing of minicabs and they wanted minicab drivers to conform to the standards of the London Taxi driver and become part of the existing hackney carriage trade.

Do you agree that the London Taxi trade wanted a one tier system? Do you also agree that the London Taxi trade didn't want the seperate licensing of minicabs?

The question is simple considering I have supplied ample evidence to prove my point in this debate?

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JD wrote:

Ok you tell me which drivers organisations responded to the 1994 Transport select committee? Are you trying to say the London Taxi trade weren't represented? The three that stood out and who all sang from the same hymn sheet were the LTDA, LTB and the T&G and none of them wanted seperate licensing.

Did Harry Feigen represent of the views of the Trade and his organisation when he said this.



You already know which drivers reps went as you've read the commons select comitee report as I have done.

You seem to be deliberately missing the point.

Perhaps you could respond to this before this decends into three weeks of going round in circles.


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Your memory seems to be good, so you will recall that this started over my view that people claimed The London Taxi trade opposed any form of licensing of Minicabs Now, in the greatest tradition of Taxi forums its changed shape to The London Taxi trade opposed a two tier sysytem of licensing of minicabs which differs greatly from my original point that licensing was opposed outright.


Originaly I never even touched on single or two tier systems, I simply stated :

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It is understandable why London Cab drivers would want to outlaw so-called mini cabs rather than have them licensed but what about politicians?

Legitimacy was probably the overriding fear of the London cab Trade in licensing private hire vehicles and that is why they were always against licensing and in favour of abolishment.



Perhaps you could post some litrature on who and what organisation within the London taxi trade opposed licensing of the dark side?

I see a great deal of posts on here claiming 'the London trade' opposed it, I can't recall any official body opposing anything over the last two decades, and individual drivers views have little impact on the process as can be demonstated with every ever issue or concern we raise, which are ignored by those in power whether it be TFL or as it was TO9 of the MET POLICE.

I don't regard the comments from the Parliament web pages when the bill was in its prelimenary stages about 'the London trade don't support it' as being any more concrete than what is written here, i'm still waiting on the evidence or the submissions that were made, perhaps you could post the relevant information Mr D?


Perhaps we will conclude these threads by begging to differ on what our individual views of 'licensing' and perceived opposition to licensing actualy consists of?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:26 pm 
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JD wrote:


Do you agree that the London Taxi trade wanted a one tier system? Do you also agree that the London Taxi trade didn't want the seperate licensing of minicabs?




Quite.

Do you agree that the London Taxi trade wanted the dark side licensed, albeit under our high standards, which i'm sure you will agree differs greatley from:

JD wrote:
It is understandable why London Cab drivers would want to outlaw so-called mini cabs rather than have them licensed but what about politicians?

Legitimacy was probably the overriding fear of the London cab Trade in licensing private hire vehicles and that is why they were always against licensing and in favour of abolishment.


Will you agree that post by yourself suggests that the London trade was opposed to any form of licensing at all.


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GBC wrote:
Perhaps you could post some litrature on who and what organisation within the London taxi trade opposed licensing of the dark side?

I see a great deal of posts on here claiming 'theLondon trade' opposed it I can't recall any official body opposing anything over the last two decades.


I think we should remind everyone that the reference I made in respect of that which you highlighted was about licensing private hire vehicles under seperate legislation to that of Hackney carriages.

I made the reference in an article about Vulnerable Women that there was no valid reason why the london Private hire act could not have been implemented 30 years ago. I placed the blame firmaly at the door of Politicians and the London Taxi trade. I have produced ample evidence that proves the London Taxi trade did not want a seperate licensing system for minicabs based on any other conditions excepting those which applied to hackney carriages. In other words bringing them up to your standards.

You asked for evidence that proved the London Taxi trade were against a seperate licensing regime for minicabs? I went out of my way to produce that evidence which has proven my case beyond a reasonable doubt, yet for some reason you are still in self denial.

Those are the facts surrounding this debate.

I have proven my case beyond a reasonable doubt and if you disagree then all you have to do is read the evidence I have already submitted.....over, and over, and over, again, until such time it sinks in?

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Luckily the defence does'nt deliver the verdict, I believe thats still down to the jury. :wink:


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GBC wrote:
Luckily the defence does'nt deliver the verdict, I believe thats still down to the jury. :wink:


lol the jury may be able to deliver a verdict, but only you, can purge yourself, of your own self denial.

But thank you and the many others who contributed to this debate, both past and present.

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GBC wrote:
JD wrote:


Do you agree that the London Taxi trade wanted a one tier system? Do you also agree that the London Taxi trade didn't want the seperate licensing of minicabs?




Quite.

Do you agree that the London Taxi trade wanted the dark side licensed, albeit under our high standards, which i'm sure you will agree differs greatley from:

JD wrote:
It is understandable why London Cab drivers would want to outlaw so-called mini cabs rather than have them licensed but what about politicians?

Legitimacy was probably the overriding fear of the London cab Trade in licensing private hire vehicles and that is why they were always against licensing and in favour of abolishment.


Will you agree that post by yourself suggests that the London trade was opposed to any form of licensing at all.


I've always maintained The London cab trade wanted minicab drivers to be licensed under one regime and that regime was that which applied to hackney carriage drivers. That is consistant in everything I have ever said on the subject.

I have also consitantly stated that the London cab Trade didn't want minicabs licensed seperately. That is my position. I might also add that it was also the position of the London Cab Trade. Seeing as you were and still are part of the London cab trade then, I expect that was your position also. Unless of course you tell me something different?

My post you refer to does not suggest London were opposed to every sort of licensing. In the context of my article it suggests the London Cab trade were against licensing minicab drivers under private hire legislation. London Cab drivers were of the opinion that minicab drivers should be licensed under their conditions or not licensed at all.

I have published the evidence to prove that beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Does that answer your question?

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JD


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Well how interesting ive kept out of this debate bacause the outcome was inevitable.GBC represents the neathrandal luddite point of view continously,spouting racist self centerd nonsense in the vain attempt to protect the indefensible.thank goodness all black cabdrivers are not so stupidly ignorant.or dishonest.
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Well how interesting ive kept out of this debate bacause the outcome was inevitable.GBC represents the neathrandal luddite point of view continously,spouting racist self centerd nonsense in the vain attempt to protect the indefensible.thank goodness all black cabdrivers are not so stupidly ignorant.or dishonest.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:39 pm 
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GMB Branch secretary wrote:
Well how interesting ive kept out of this debate


You would have to, you could'nt debate a subject if your fatty arteries depended on it.
Being illiterate does'nt help I guess, you should consider some further adult education?

GMB Branch secretary wrote:
continously,spouting racist


Oops! your lying again! Show the proof :^o

GMB Branch secretary wrote:
thank goodness all black cabdrivers are not so stupidly ignorant.or dishonest.


Its a shame the self appointed (un) professional GMB drivers rep will always be just that.
You will be a bigot until the day you die.

P.S How's your protest coming along? Acheived much yet? :D


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:40 pm 
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GMB Branch secretary wrote:
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Quite :D .


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If i may interject here what was the reason that minicabs remained unlicensed in London when elsewhere they became licensed private hire ?

It does strike me that the licensing of minicabs in London should have happened years ago along with the rest of the country why the anomaly

Yours ignorant of Lincolnshire


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edders23 wrote:
If i may interject here what was the reason that minicabs remained unlicensed in London when elsewhere they became licensed private hire ?



If it can be summed up in one word - politics :?

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Which of course is what this thread is mainly about so nothings changed then :D


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