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I suspect not many on here have seen such a contract, including me, so if you can scan it and send it to me I'll make a point of writing it up in word format and posting it on TDO. Obviously I would remove any parts that were incompatible with privacy.

Regards

JD

So lets have a look at York stn, [again]

not exact sure of the total amount of permit holders as some are permits and radio

lets work on 120 cabs, x £360 +vat = £400 [for round figures] total = £48 thou

lets just think about that price 48 grand, I don't believe that is the price paid for the permits from the rail company, I believe the taxi franchise company get them at big discount, so even if you started to tender where would you start if you set up another taxi company?? you could even be over bidding/tendering miles to high as the known real price is never known,

to get the right price you need insider knowledge, not what you know its who you know.

there are also some freebies thrown in as good will, ie.half a dozen free permits and some free rail travel for the select few taxi management shareholders from the railway company

It seems to me rail operators such as gner will only deal with ltd. companies, this ltd company at York , ie Stn Taxis is owned by 38 shareholders

part of the contract is to do credit work for the rail company, to be available at drop of a hat, even tho in this case it is more often or not farmed out to a PH company

Now can you see 5, 10 or 20 cab drivers who want to work the station form themselves up with a ltd. company, me myself wouldn't trust most drivers if I was to share my last penny

You start by considering how much the permits are worth to each individual driver in the consortium? If you have 120 drivers who think the permits are worth one pound a day without a radio, then you set your bid at 43.800 pounds.

You should be able to get all the terms of the last permit tender from GNER.

Regards

JD

I havent got a scanner

Will try to work something out with it though.

regards

CC

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George Carlin

I think your barking up the wrong tree SP.

If you look at the court case posted, it is more or less certain rail companies deal with companies....as you suggest and as outlined in this statement;

"I am writing to you to keep you informed of developments in relation to the above. As you may be aware the agreement currently in place with yourself expires on the 31st March 1997. Great Western will be advertising in a local paper or trade magazine shortly in order for companies to express interest in tendering for the franchise which will operate from 1st April 1997. Great Western are looking for a single company to carry out the service, therefore it is very unlikely that we will award the franchise to individual operators. I will keep you personallly informed of developments but would appreciate your co-operation throughout the process."


The contract copy I have names a firm as the 'managing operator' who are the company responsible for the discipline and policing of the rank.

There is a disciplinary procedure laid down, I have some problem with it, because I dont see how it follows natural justice.

That aside there is a clause which states;

The disciplinary procedure does not apply to policy decisions made by the managing operator.

I fear this clause gives whoever has the station franchise carte blanche'.

I understand the agreement is between the TOC and the HC proprietor, as the 'managing operator' is clearly distinguished in the agreement, it is perhaps reasonable to suggest the person signing the agreement is in effect agreeing to and acknowledging the 'managing operators' position.

In addition it appears that the permit is issued by the TOC not managing operator with monies paid direct.

You should be aware that the government have in the past been in agreement with these arrangements, I can recall a question in the house regarding taxibank, with the government stating such agreements are in the public interest as they ensure a steady supply of vehicles for rail customers.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 718w07.htm

You should also be aware of the following press release from 2005;

http://www.york.gov.uk/cgi-bin/wn_document.pl?type=5574

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Silverlink said exactly the same when they put Watford station out to tender.

Rail station companies deal with Trade organisations or companies. If anyone knows of an individual in the UK who has been granted a contract to run a permit scheme at a Rail station then we would like to know who it is because it would surely make good reading?

Regards

JD

Until recently Brighton Station's passes were issued by two drivers, who acted as agents for the trade. That's how we kept the limit on permits.

It's changed now so that the cab firms and those two agents can issue the permits. So there now is no limit.

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Unmet demand you're having a laugh

In other words these two drivers were acting as agents of the rail company for the distribution of permits? Surely the drivers didn't do it for free? Who printed the permits?

Regards

JD

It was Connex, when they had the franchise who printed and got the two lads to distribute the permits. They got the money and gave the money in.

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Unmet demand you're having a laugh

The fairest solution is a 20p barrier system and it makes it all the more appealing if the council sanction an extra 20p on top of the fare, which then moves the charge onto the punter. rather than the driver having to foot the bill.

Regards

JD

That a solution JD and admittedly the most realistic, but surely the fairest is free and open access?

regards

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Some stations don't charge, however the best solution as you say, "is free open access" but I can't see that ever happening, so at the moment the barrier system remains the fairest option because it gives access to all and not just the few.

Regards

JD

Is there not usually also contract work??

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I suppose thats the key difference, free access is a wish, whereas a barrier is more realistic

regards

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

WE HAVE A CAP AT CREWE 60 permits sold for 4 spaces we have 115 cabs and no were to make a livin apart from the station we want to keep the cap as its a way of slowin down the plates been issued by the L/A its crazy down here even with a cap your waitin 60 mins plus for a job if it was opend up god nows how long we would wait u cant make a living on 3.60 an hr