Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Thu Apr 30, 2026 5:54 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 263 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
mancityfan wrote:
grandad wrote:
I had a meeting with the head of regulatory services regarding fee setting last Wednesday. This is a copy of the proposal he will be putting to the Licensing committee meeting in September.
Do you think the Ombudsman has been it touch with him? :wink:

Thanks for coming in and for such a candid discussion, and at such short notice. From the notes I took at the meeting I have worked up the following text in preparation for the Committee in Sept. and would welcome your comments:

Taxi drivers advise that their main objection to fees is that the evidence to support the charges for licenses is questionable. They understand that it is a proportion of the overall costs of the Licensing budget but consider this to be inadequate because:
• They do not register or record the actual time taken to produce a badge or distinguish between the different elements of work carried out to directly or indirectly support this activity.
• The time recording figures are out of date, dating back to 2008 and there is no evidence to confirm the view that they remain accurate in 2013/14.
Drivers will be happy to pay fees that are a true reflection of costs incurred, but until this is proven there remains objection to the level of fees and any proposed increase(s).

The Committee is advised that the appropriate legislation (s 53 and s70 of the Local Government (Misc. Provisions) Act 1976) provides the remit for the setting of charges and makes separate provision for Operator’s, Driver’s and vehicle licences. Accordingly, the approach of assigning 40% of costs to the overall Licensing function – whilst of merit in terms of the ‘ringfencing’ the taxi licensing element of the function from the remaining licensing activity – is not considered to be sufficiently detailed to determine how much resource each of the types of the licences demands and, in turn, how costs should be apportioned.

It is therefore considered that detailed time recording is necessary to determine the correct proportion. It is therefore recommended that setting of the charges is postponed until a sample period of time recording has taken place which addresses in more detail the demands made on resources (and therefore recoverable costs, under s53 and s70) of the individual types of licences for the ‘Q3’ period (October – December 2013) and that the Committee revisits this issue after that has taken place, in order to be able to set fees on a better informed basis.



Drivers will be happy to pay fees? I really don't believe you said that ?

What I actually said was "drivers will be happy to pay fees that are relevant and proportionate, provided that the data used to calculate them is current."
The fees are to be linked in to a formula that will be applied to the table of fares each year so that whatever the level of the fees, they will always be recoverable in the fares.
The formula to be used is similar to the one used by the Isle of Wight.
The review of fees and fares are to be applied from April 1st each year.
Of course the licensing committee have got to approve both the formula for fares and the scale of fees.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:44 pm
Posts: 10591
Location: Scotland
Ask them why SBC only charge £82 PA for the same thing???


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:08 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Do you think the Ombudsman has been it touch with him? :wink:

Possibly, but I would wager a pound or two that they have taken proper licensing legal advise, as that reads as if written by a lawyer.

But well done nonetheless. =D>

Had a letter from the ombudsman today. They are not interested.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
Had a letter from the ombudsman today. They are not interested.

Sad, but the fight goes on.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:47 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm
Posts: 2712
I'd suggest you point them to the case of Westminster City Council having to refund huge sums to licenced sex shops over the years. a similar argument, it's on the legal page here.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:44 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
roythebus wrote:
I'd suggest you point them to the case of Westminster City Council having to refund huge sums to licenced sex shops over the years. a similar argument, it's on the legal page here.

I haven't seen the letter myself because I am on holiday in Spain. But they are saying that as far as they are concerned, there is nothing to investigate. I have until the 13th Aug to comment but I will not be in England until the 23rd.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 7:24 pm
Posts: 6755
grandad wrote:
roythebus wrote:
I'd suggest you point them to the case of Westminster City Council having to refund huge sums to licenced sex shops over the years. a similar argument, it's on the legal page here.

I haven't seen the letter myself because I am on holiday in Spain. But they are saying that as far as they are concerned, there is nothing to investigate. I have until the 13th Aug to comment but I will not be in England until the 23rd.


oh dear another failure by an individual as predicted ,, when will you ever learn GET UNIONISED :D :D

_________________
All posts by this contributor are made in a strictly personal capacity

I AM PROUD TO BE A CITIZEN NOBODY'S SUBJECT http://www.republic.org.u

F88K EM ALL WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

BOOZE BOOZE BOOZE


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
trotskys twin wrote:
oh dear another failure by an individual as predicted ,, when will you ever learn GET UNIONISED :D :D

He hasn't failed, its just the Ombudsman is leaving him to deal with the council on his own.

And on his own he is doing a lot better than some of the f***wit union people we have down here.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm
Posts: 1582
Sussex wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
oh dear another failure by an individual as predicted ,, when will you ever learn GET UNIONISED :D :D

He hasn't failed, its just the Ombudsman is leaving him to deal with the council on his own.

And on his own he is doing a lot better than some of the f***wit union people we have down here.


I agree,and he has gained a lot of knowledge, also the council now know they can't [edited by admin] with him, I applaud him for trying, most on here moan and groan and do nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 7:24 pm
Posts: 6755
mancityfan wrote:
Sussex wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
oh dear another failure by an individual as predicted ,, when will you ever learn GET UNIONISED :D :D

He hasn't failed, its just the Ombudsman is leaving him to deal with the council on his own.

And on his own he is doing a lot better than some of the f***wit union people we have down here.


I agree,and he has gained a lot of knowledge, also the council now know they can't [edited by admin] with him, I applaud him for trying, most on here moan and groan and do nothing.


indeed well done for trying my only point is Unionised he might have been more succesfull, its apparent to me Grandad is no mug =D> =D> =D>

_________________
All posts by this contributor are made in a strictly personal capacity

I AM PROUD TO BE A CITIZEN NOBODY'S SUBJECT http://www.republic.org.u

F88K EM ALL WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

BOOZE BOOZE BOOZE


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
When I get back from Spain, it is on my "to do" list to sort out the drivers branch and get them to join either a union or an association.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
When I get back from Spain, it is on my "to do" list to sort out the drivers branch and get them to join either a union or an association.

Good on you. =D>

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:56 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
mancityfan wrote:
You might want to ask them for the minutes of when they adopted the 1976 act?

I know that this was a while ago and I can't remember if i posted anything about this but I did ask for the minutes and I received a copy. It was in January 1981. I have checked the local newspapers in the library archive and i can't find any public notice referring to the adoption of the act. I have asked the Council about this and asked them to check yet again but they don't seem interested. It seems to me that they will only act on this if we make a legal challenge, which they know, we can't afford. I intend to write to all the parish councils to ask them to check their records to see if they received any correspondence about this.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm
Posts: 8529
grandad wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
You might want to ask them for the minutes of when they adopted the 1976 act?

I know that this was a while ago and I can't remember if i posted anything about this but I did ask for the minutes and I received a copy. It was in January 1981. I have checked the local newspapers in the library archive and i can't find any public notice referring to the adoption of the act. I have asked the Council about this and asked them to check yet again but they don't seem interested. It seems to me that they will only act on this if we make a legal challenge, which they know, we can't afford. I intend to write to all the parish councils to ask them to check their records to see if they received any correspondence about this.


committee clerks are usually the best way of finding out the past...and what year did they first licence P/h ..that would be the year they adopted the 76 act..you would think..

_________________
Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
MR T wrote:
grandad wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
You might want to ask them for the minutes of when they adopted the 1976 act?

I know that this was a while ago and I can't remember if i posted anything about this but I did ask for the minutes and I received a copy. It was in January 1981. I have checked the local newspapers in the library archive and i can't find any public notice referring to the adoption of the act. I have asked the Council about this and asked them to check yet again but they don't seem interested. It seems to me that they will only act on this if we make a legal challenge, which they know, we can't afford. I intend to write to all the parish councils to ask them to check their records to see if they received any correspondence about this.


committee clerks are usually the best way of finding out the past...and what year did they first licence P/h ..that would be the year they adopted the 76 act..you would think..

As stated it was in the Council minutes in January 1981.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 263 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 200 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group