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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:03 am 
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Anyway Captain Cab, many thanks. :) A copy and a link to this thread has now been sent to Cannock Chase District Council and Bryan at NPHA has been copied in. This is what I've sent:

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Suspension procedures - Cannock Chase District Council would do well to consider the following...‏


http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... 2&start=20

However a High Court decision during February 2009 in the case of Stockton on Tees – v – Latif (attached at Appendix 2) has established that the 21 day period is strict, the courts having no discretion to extend it, and it appears, should run from the making of the officer decision notwithstanding the internal appeals stage operated by this and most other Authorities. This creates a problem because it will almost always take more than 21 days for a Licensing Sub Committee to be convened by which time, if an aggrieved driver has not also exercised his right of appeal to the Magistrates Court, it would be too late to do so. An appeal to the Magistrates Court has a significant cost in terms of court fees and the cost of employing a solicitor.
3.6 To address this problem the following changes are proposed:

(a) where there is considered to be no need to revoke or suspend an existing driver’s licence immediately [under Amendment 2B to Section 61 of the Local Government Provisions Act 1976], the officer does not make a decision but instead refers the case to the Licensing Sub Committee with a report. The Licensing Sub Committee then makes the decision which, if adverse to the driver, would then become the subject of an appeal to the Magistrates Court within 21 days of that decision.

(b) In a case involving a need to revoke or suspend a driver’s licence immediately, for example where a driver has been charged with or convicted of a sexual offence, or offence of similar seriousness [under Amendment 2B to Section 61 of the Local Government Provisions Act 1976], the Head of Environmental Health makes the decision against which there is the right of appeal to the Magistrates Court within 21 days. This is in accordance with the scheme of delegation and there is no referral to the Licensing Sub Committee; the appeal must be directly to the court.


Regards,

Steven Toy.

Hopefully this should bring to an end once-and-for-all CCDC's practice of issuing suspensions without any hearing before a sub-comittee even for minor offences relying on the right of appeal in the Magistrates' Court as a substitute for this.

I've been fighting them on this with growing support for three years.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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I think the licensing officer was right.

WTF are you on about??
I wanted to encourage him to say more...... and you know how he just loves to prove me wrong . :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
"operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle;

And the definition of a 'private hire vehicle' under same section of same act is;

"private hire vehicle" means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [or a London cab] [or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers;

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Steven Toy wrote:
Anyway Captain Cab, many thanks. :) A copy and a link to this thread has now been sent to Cannock Chase District Council and Bryan at NPHA has been copied in. This is what I've sent:

Hopefully this should bring to an end once-and-for-all CCDC's practice of issuing suspensions without any hearing before a sub-comittee even for minor offences relying on the right of appeal in the Magistrates' Court as a substitute for this.

I've been fighting them on this with growing support for three years.


No problem, glad the forum may have been of use and I hope you keep us informed.

That aside, surely the holy one, who's extremely grumpy, would have been onto this before a humble taxi forum?

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