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Well it's been a pleasure and at least I've learnt something tonight but I gotta go do some work, I'll pay those sins off soon :twisted:

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Tutsi Tutsi goodby .... keep your St Christopher hanging from you're Mirror.... and a nice long hatpin handy

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I still haven't got my head around the Berwick situation but from what I can gather it involves HC taking bookings outside their area of Licencing and if prebooked by phone is as far as I know perfectly legal or working for companies that are licenced in another area to that of the HC and to be honest I didn't think you could do that.


From what I have been told it is a lot worse than that.

I believe the situation is that a few dispatch systems have opened up in Newcastle that are completely unlicensed as operators by any LA. They in turn use ONLY Berwick HCs on their dispatch systems. HC dispatch systems do not need operator licences if they ONLY have HCs on their system & do not have ANY PHVs. The Berwick HCs supposedly only work in Newcastle on these dispatch systems.

And there I believe is the rub in Newcastle.

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Just an aside on the checking of vehicles. Are you saying that if you are out of area,say taking someone from Leicester in your licensed PH vehicle to say Birmingham city centre, the licensing officer in brum is not allowed to inspect your vehicle?

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Just an aside on the checking of vehicles. Are you saying that if you are out of area,say taking someone from Leicester in your licensed PH vehicle to say Birmingham city centre, the licensing officer in brum is not allowed to inspect your vehicle?


If you are a Leicester licensed PH dropping off in Brum, then I believe that a Brum enforcement officer does not have powers to inspect your vehicle.

But I believe he should have such powers to inspect out off area vehicles & driver documentation for that matter.

IMO these powers should be in place for enforcement officers acting in their own LAs to inspect all incoming licensed vehicles & driver documentation, wherever those vehicle & drivers are from.

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To get yourself licensed as a Berwick driver you only need to apply by post.. you're vehicle if new will be licensed and the plates sent to you by post..... there you go. you're a licensed taxi driver and vehicle.. that will never work in Berwick..



damn, my motors 2.5 years old.....sob

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To get yourself licensed as a Berwick driver you only need to apply by post.. you're vehicle if new will be licensed and the plates sent to you by post..... there you go. you're a licensed taxi driver and vehicle.. that will never work in Berwick..



damn, my motors 2.5 years old.....sob

No you're OK.. it doesn't need a test till its three years old..

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grandad wrote:
Just an aside on the checking of vehicles. Are you saying that if you are out of area,say taking someone from Leicester in your licensed PH vehicle to say Birmingham city centre, the licensing officer in brum is not allowed to inspect your vehicle?


A licensing officer only has the power to inspect vehicles he is empowered to inspect, which is normally his own licensing authority..... there are some authorities that work together and empower neighbouring licensing officers... and vice-versa

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To get yourself licensed as a Berwick driver you only need to apply by post.. you're vehicle if new will be licensed and the plates sent to you by post..... there you go. you're a licensed taxi driver and vehicle.. that will never work in Berwick..



so its a "flag of convenience" then, like liberia and ships...

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I dont think changing the byelaws will have any affect whatsoever, as I think sussex said, theres something in there already.

There appears to be a total unwillingness by Berwick to solve the situation, I think this could have been solved by bringing in a localised knowledge test and even an insistance that the licensing of vehicles is physically done within Berwick's civic centre as opposed to by phone and mail.

It has been alleged that Berwick dont see the point in a localised knowledge because the licensees arent using the vehicles there anyway. Now if that isnt utter contempt to the situation, I dont know what is.

A number of local authorities within the North East and Cumbria are delimited.

The people who chose to license there vehicles in Berwick and Derwentside, did so in my opinion because of the easier licensing conditions for the person and vehicle.

Indeed, it has been stated that Berwick are allowing a testing station to test vehicles within another area so to make it easier for new licensees.

The vehicles licensed have been saloons, usually of a decent standard. Presumably Berwick was chosen, similarly with Eden District and Derwentside, as they licensed saloons without a specified colour policy.

Gateshead wasnt chosen because they only issue licenses to WAV's, Carlisle wasnt chosen because of the colour policy and knowledge test.

That aside, Newcastle have been pretty useless too.

If these vehicles are plying for hire, then Newcastles enforcement should be catching the culprits and getting the courts to give them nine points for no insurance.

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The only thing a Berwick hack must have, apart from a test and plates, is a roof sign issued by the council for a small deposit.
A local knowledge test would not work there.
Q1 where is the station, A 500 yards up the road
Q2 where is the hospital , A 100 yards down the road
For those that have never been there the whole town is only2.5 miles long by 2 wide


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The only thing a Berwick hack must have, apart from a test and plates, is a roof sign issued by the council for a small deposit.
A local knowledge test would not work there.
Q1 where is the station, A 500 yards up the road
Q2 where is the hospital , A 100 yards down the road
For those that have never been there the whole town is only2.5 miles long by 2 wide


A knowledge test can encapsulate a little more if needed.

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skippy41 wrote:
The only thing a Berwick hack must have, apart from a test and plates, is a roof sign issued by the council for a small deposit.
A local knowledge test would not work there.
Q1 where is the station, A 500 yards up the road
Q2 where is the hospital , A 100 yards down the road
For those that have never been there the whole town is only2.5 miles long by 2 wide


no chippy, chinese or night club?

is there a rank?

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Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.

If that's the case why are the MoM gang trying to amend the authorizing officer's wording? :?

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Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.

If that's the case why are the MoM gang trying to amend the authorizing officer's wording? :?


Berwick can have as many vans as they want...but in their own opinion they're of 'F' all use outside their district. :shock:

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