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who wants to stretch out in a taxi? its not as if the passenger is in the vehicle for more than 5 minutes with normal jobs anyway.

No punters kneeing you in the back, no punters grabbing hold of the driver's seat when they want to get out.

Luxury.


No offensive weapon to the back of your head

No offensive smell to the nostrils

No offensive abuse to your brittany spears (Ears) Turn off intercom.

U can keep your Mini-Cabs..sorry...Saloons

Final Word...If The Government implemented a one tier all WAV system..

How many would take the plunge ??
And how many would take the roof sign off and Hand back ??



Both have advantages and disadvantages over each other tbh.


I won't be slinging mine back if I have to swap.


And I like to back Toots up regarding the unsecured buggy routine, it's overlooked as a safety issue and should a WAV get turned over baby will simply fall to the roof like an egg, not good tbh.


I must agree there...I neither practice nor endorse the buggy scenario. IMO it is laziness on the buggy pushers behalf and i always refuse to take a buggy if i'm sitting mid-rank and direct them to the first vehicle and, if i'm first, i always inform the parent, etc; on the laws regarding minors.


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tx_op wrote:
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captain cab wrote:
who wants to stretch out in a taxi? its not as if the passenger is in the vehicle for more than 5 minutes with normal jobs anyway.

No punters kneeing you in the back, no punters grabbing hold of the driver's seat when they want to get out.

Luxury.


No offensive weapon to the back of your head

No offensive smell to the nostrils

No offensive abuse to your brittany spears (Ears) Turn off intercom.

U can keep your Mini-Cabs..sorry...Saloons

Final Word...If The Government implemented a one tier all WAV system..

How many would take the plunge ??
And how many would take the roof sign off and Hand back ??



Both have advantages and disadvantages over each other tbh.


I won't be slinging mine back if I have to swap.


And I like to back Toots up regarding the unsecured buggy routine, it's overlooked as a safety issue and should a WAV get turned over baby will simply fall to the roof like an egg, not good tbh.


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I must agree there...I neither practice nor endorse the buggy scenario. IMO it is laziness on the buggy pushers behalf and i always refuse to take a buggy if i'm sitting mid-rank and direct them to the first vehicle and, if i'm first, i always inform the parent, etc; on the laws regarding minors.


You may well do that tx op, but the law allows hackney cabs to do this as they have said the child is safer strapped into a buggy than a seat belt, they recommend that the buggy is placed rear facing


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You may well do that tx op, but the law allows hackney cabs to do this as they have said the child is safer strapped into a buggy than a seat belt, they recommend that the buggy is placed rear facing


Can you point me to that part of the law please skippy?

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captain cab wrote:
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You may well do that tx op, but the law allows hackney cabs to do this as they have said the child is safer strapped into a buggy than a seat belt, they recommend that the buggy is placed rear facing


Can you point me to that part of the law please skippy?

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I would but its on a thread on here somewhere, I think it was a report from the police and one of the safety groups possibly Vosa as well


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I would but its on a thread on here somewhere, I think it was a report from the police and one of the safety groups possibly Vosa as well


will try and find it.

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http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9788&highlight=push+chairs

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Doom wrote:
This is the perfect taxi

http://www.autojunk.nl/2009/09/skoda-superb-combi-2


You have to get past the Renissan add 1st, but have a look

Luggage - check
Legroom - check
Economic - check
Executive - check
Cost - check
Comfort - check

Can't be beat for less than 35k, and then you only get a 15k badge as extra. :wink:


Well done Doom the link is now on the Skoda forums they only had pics of it there :D
its a taxi drivers dream and it will be like the tardis, you can choose from 3 engines to start with a 105 140 and a 170 next year they will be fitting the new 110CR and 140 CR the 170 already comes with CR


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I cannot understand why anyone would actually choose to have a WAV [if they could choose], over a saloon.

Not wanting to be touched up by the driver?
I dont think touching yourself up is the answer, if you can't trust yourself you should not go out alone!

Wanting a vehicle that takes more than four.
You can get 10+ MPV types of vehicle out there if you look ALL do 40% more to the gallon than a van.

Wanting a vehicle that will take more than one bag of shopping or suitcase.
My vehicle takes 6 cases with ease.

Wanting a vehicle that takes a buggy, without the need to unfold it.
Why would you do that, did you know its illegal to carry unrestrained passengers

Wanting a vehicle where you can stretch your legs.

My vehicle has more rear leg room than a Merc S class, how much leg room do you need to have?


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Excellent Point Captain, Sussex must be breaking the law every day with his punters with pushchairs :shock: :shock:


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Excellent Point Captain, Sussex must be breaking the law every day with his punters with pushchairs :shock: :shock:


I've told all and sundry for years that he's a criminal :lol:

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captain cab wrote:
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Excellent Point Captain, Sussex must be breaking the law every day with his punters with pushchairs :shock: :shock:


I've told all and sundry for years that he's a criminal :lol:

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I am shocked to hear that as I though he was whiter than white!! :shock: :shock:


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I am shocked to hear that as I though he was whiter than white!! :shock: :shock:[/quote]

Of course not, he supports Brighton and Hove Albion for christs sake :lol:

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A friend who works in Beverley has just told me that their L.A, has just informed them that at their next change of vehicle they have to have a Wheel chair accessible vehicle or they will not get renewed, I thought I read on here somewhere that is not legal can anyone advise please.


The Court Judgement of Deputy District Judge Dhaliwal Hearing - 11th/12th July 2007
Milton Keynes Magistrates Court
PETER KIRKHAM and Others
Appellants
-v-
MILTON KEYNES COUNCIL
Respondents

JUDGEMENT

This appeal is brought by Mr Kirkham and a number of others by way of complaint. The complaint in essence is that Milton Keynes District Council (MKDC) have amended its conditions in relation to hackney carriage vehicles licences In that licences would not be renewed from 1Bt April 2007 in respect of vehicles that did not have a specific purpose built hackney capable of carrying passengers in wheelchairs and - were rear loading, which were excluded on the grounds of safety
MKDC are entitled by the power that is vested in them as a public body to amend the conditions BUT those conditions have to be justified as being "reasonably necessary".
That is the what I have to consider today, in other words, as the respondent has put it -
"Am I satisfied that the decision reached by the Council was reasonable, having regard to the competence of the authority making the decision, taking into account all the relevant factors"
In order to assess this, I have heard form a number of witnesses, read a number of statements and read a number of guidance's produced by various bodies.
In determining whether the Council reached a reasonable decision, I need to be satisfied that MKDC took into account all relevant factors. I will mention a few of those many factors now:-
1. DEGREE AND NATURE OF CONSULTATION
On the evidence that I have heard, I come to the conclusion that consultation was extremely limited. This was conceded by Cllr Burke in his evidence and conceded by the respondents own expert witness. Furthermore, it is clear from the number of letters produced in the appellants bundle written by bodies that that would be "interested party’s" that should have been consulted but clearly had not. Cllr Burke concedes that there was no public consultation and no appropriate consultation with those who have disabilities. I have also taken into account the "minutes" of meetings prepared in the respondents bundle and given that due consideration. Nevertheless, I find it is wholly inadequate that various members of the public only found out about meetings through chance and this consultation process was flawed
2. GUIDANCE GIVEN BY VARIOUS BODIES IN FORM OF REPORTS
A number of reports were produced by various bodies which are for guidance only and have been put before the court. However, there is no evidence put before the court that these reports were properly considered or at all. To the contrary, there was evidence that the Council were aware of the best practice guidance, set up a meeting to discuss it, but this was never discussed and did not appear in the minutes of the meeting.

Indeed in one report, the European Conference of Ministers of transport does not recommend a 100% wheelchair accessible fleet but a 2 design level. This does not appear to have even been considered.
The most significant factor Is
WHETHER THERE IS A DEMONSTRABLE NEED IN MK TO HAVE 100% WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE FLEET
No evidence put before this court to suggest that there is any such need in MK. It is still unclear to me at this stage the reasons behind the Councils thinking, I heard no evidence to that effect which would assist me on what basis this decision was made.
It is admirable that MK DC have attempted to Implement changes to serve those who are disabled however, I cannot be satisfied on that the evidence that I have heard that the decision was reasonable, as MKDC failed to take Into account significant and relevant factors, a few of those have been mentioned here.
The decision of the court therefore is that the amendments to the conditions were not reasonably necessary in light of the evidence that this court has heard, therefore the appeal by Mr Kirkham and others is, allowed.

Moving one stage further, in my view, the circumstances in which the court should intervene in the decisions made by an elected body should be few and far between, however since my conclusion is that the Council's decision was not reasonable, I follow the guidance given in Blackpool BC ex parte Red Cab Taxis and amend the conditions as follows:*
I amend the condition by deleting the implementation date of 01/04/07
And
Remove the prohibition on rear loading vehicles
The amendments are made to that effect.
COSTS
Costs will follow the event and MKDC will be ordered to pay the appellants costs in full.
Supporting Information given by the DDJ in clarification:-

a. The deletion of conditions are only applicable to those who were originally given grandfather rights prior to delimitation and not all Hackney Carriage licensed vehicles i.e. the deletion of the conditions does not apply to the new Hackney Carriage drivers.
b. Therefore only the original grandfather rights vehicles retain the right to keep
saloon type vehicles or introduce rear loading wheelchair accessible vehicles.
c. All new vehicles introduced since the introduction of side loading wheelchair
accessible vehicles have to remain in compliant with this condition.


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Good case MCF; but there are numerous others going the other way from higher courts.

I wonder if this case will be to the long term benefit of the MK cab trade?

I somehow dont think so.

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A good result! Its a start! =D>


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