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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:33 pm 
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They've done that in the past havent they.....York vs. Thornton?

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What case was this please Captain? Do you have a link to it?


My mistake; York v Warriner;

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3790&highlight=york

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The York drivers in dispute/theft of the plates have been suspended until the next hearing by York Council on the 4th August.


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The York drivers in dispute/theft of the plates have been suspended until the next hearing by York Council on the 4th August.


So we have them out here on Private Hire now working for Getaway cars, which is run by a guy who used to work for 659 then set up on his own after trying to steal all 659's work seems that birds of a feather if you know what I mean.


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The York drivers in dispute/theft of the plates have been suspended until the next hearing by York Council on the 4th August.


Drivers not suspended !! The Hackney Carriage License is suspended ! Drivers are free to carry on working as and where they wish to. Really do wish people on here wouls get their facts right before posting rubbish on here. And Mr Happy Cabs ! Lol ! We dont know what you mean ? Perhaps you could elaborate a little ??


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The York drivers in dispute/theft of the plates have been suspended until the next hearing by York Council on the 4th August.


Drivers not suspended !! The Hackney Carriage License is suspended !


That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.

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That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.


they are being revoked ! And granted to the rightful proprietors of the Licenced Vehicles !


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[quote="onerebeloffour"][quote]That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.
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they are being revoked ! And granted to the rightful proprietors of the Licenced Vehicles ![/quote]

But as I understand it the council have been told to make thorough enquiries into all matters from both sides. I can't see that all parties are entirely guilty/innocent. Perhaps the council will decide that not everyone fits the fit and proper criteria, and takes the licences back to give to the first four on the waiting list!!
Did I not read somewhere that the police are now involved, still think that the council will deregulate which I know will not be in everyones favour.


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That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.

they are being revoked ! And granted to the rightful proprietors of the Licenced Vehicles !

But as I understand it the council have been told to make thorough enquiries into all matters from both sides. I can't see that all parties are entirely guilty/innocent. Perhaps the council will decide that not everyone fits the fit and proper criteria, and takes the licences back to give to the first four on the waiting list!!
Did I not read somewhere that the police are now involved, still think that the council will deregulate which I know will not be in everyones favour.

If the police are now involved, then my guess is that someone has made a written statement accusing another of theft.

Now I might be getting interested!!

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Ears1096 wrote:
onerebeloffour wrote:
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That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.


they are being revoked ! And granted to the rightful proprietors of the Licenced Vehicles !


But as I understand it the council have been told to make thorough enquiries into all matters from both sides. I can't see that all parties are entirely guilty/innocent. Perhaps the council will decide that not everyone fits the fit and proper criteria, and takes the licences back to give to the first four on the waiting list!!
Did I not read somewhere that the police are now involved, still think that the council will deregulate which I know will not be in everyones favour.

You are righ Ears, everyone will suffer, the rumour in our office is that the drivers and proprietors will both be prosecuted as there seems to be lies andd deceit on both sides,


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happy cabs wrote:
Ears1096 wrote:
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That sounds more like it.
Don't be surprised if the HC licences are revoked after that date.

they are being revoked ! And granted to the rightful proprietors of the Licenced Vehicles !

But as I understand it the council have been told to make thorough enquiries into all matters from both sides. I can't see that all parties are entirely guilty/innocent. Perhaps the council will decide that not everyone fits the fit and proper criteria, and takes the licences back to give to the first four on the waiting list!!
Did I not read somewhere that the police are now involved, still think that the council will deregulate which I know will not be in everyones favour.

You are righ Ears, everyone will suffer, the rumour in our office is that the drivers and proprietors will both be prosecuted as there seems to be lies and deceit on both sides,

No surprise at all there!!

IMO the LA have been dragging their feet on this one & should have taken this course of action a long time ago.

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You are righ Ears, everyone will suffer, the rumour in our office is that the drivers and proprietors will both be prosecuted as there seems to be lies andd deceit on both sides,


Seems speculation is rife among the PH offices ! To put you all right,
on Wed 4th August Licencing and regulatory committee heard from both drivers and proprietors. Both parties presented documented evidence and made verbal statements to the committee. the point of the meeting was to determine who owned the licenced vehcile.

Proprietors had bills of sale in various guises. Some written and signed by driver, some printed but not signed by driver and some written by proprietor themselves.
Drivers presented documented evidence ie Insurance certificates in their name only, log books in their name only, finance details for the vehicles in their name only, bank statements proving all payments relating to the vehicle were paid by them through their bank accounts, repair bills bearing their names only and vehicle details, printed contracts/agreements regarding terms of their business arrangement, and of course the recorded telephone conversation which was presented in transcript and as a cd recording. That recording was copied on to a disc by trading standards at Northallerton at the insistence of Taxi Licencing.

The police are involved and are working alongside York council in investigating the events and actions of certain individuals leading up to that meeting. Police involvement was at the insistence of both DVLA and the finance companies involved after 'unusual' requests were made of them prior to the council meeting !
Unfortunately for all Hackney proprietors, some have gone to extreme and illegal lenghts and methods to try convince the authorities that they own the vehicles, and their actions will reflect in future licencing rules and regulations as has already been proved.

Drivers took this action after requests were made by the proprietors that were wrong and illegal. Each and every proprietor was given the opportunity, by the drivers, to buy the vehicles from them and therefore abide by the licence conditions. Unfortunately these few refused to do so because they did not want the expense of the vehicle or the responsibility of maintaining that vehicle !
The alternative was for the drivers to create a paper trail that would indicate to Taxi Licencing that the vehicle was owned by the proprietor, but in fact, the drivers were the owners and would still be responsible for all running costs of that vehicle. YES they could have done it, but due to the unscrupulous behaviour of the proprietors in time gone by and the desire to abide by the law and the licencing conditions, they have taken it upon themselves to do the right and just thing. A lot of thought and consideration went into making that decision and it was not easy.
A man will only take so much [edited by admin] from another man and a bully will always meet his match. These drivers will not be bullied by anyone anymore either now or in the future. They have done whats right and nothing will change that !


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''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''

Deception is a false reality imposed on a true reality. It is a fragile and complex weaving of truth, half truths', lies and lies of omission. To successfully deceive another or several people, one must be skilled in the art of deception. To create a deception worthy of belief one must be able to create plausible details that help create the illusion of truth. It is the details that people listen to and remember and the one deceiving is obligated to remember these detail in order to avoid having the lie exposed. The problem with remembering the lies we tell is that all people are basically good and we tend to forget the bad things we've done. In order to successfully perpetuate deception, the liar must be willing to live that lie when necessary. This becomes the tangled web we weave, especially when first we practice to deceive.

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But as I understand it the council have been told to make thorough enquiries into all matters from both sides. I can't see that all parties are entirely guilty/innocent. Perhaps the council will decide that not everyone fits the fit and proper criteria, and takes the licences back to give to the first four on the waiting list!!
Did I not read somewhere that the police are now involved, still think that the council will deregulate which I know will not be in everyones favour.


For the record : Licencing committee had three options put to them !
(1) Determine that the present proprietor is the owner of the vehicle and allow him/her to retain their vehicle licence.

(2) Determine that the driver is the rightful proprietor of the vehicle, therefore, revoke the current licence. and grant it to the driver.

(3) If it could not be determined who owns the vehicle, suspend the licince for 6 months in order for both parties to provide further proof of ownership. If after 6 months, ownership was still undetermined, revoke the licence and issue it to the person top of the waiting list.

The committee ALL agreed after considering oral representations and documented evidence that Option (2) be implemented.
However, the licence cannot be revoked until the process of Appeal has been presented to the agrieved party.
And the committee advised that a thorough investigation should take place into verbal and documented evidence presented to them during the proceedings of that meeting !
Nobody has been accused of theft, but there has been cases of forgery, fraud and deception presented to the committee which was as transparent as glass.
The drivers welcome that investigation with open arms and await further such evidence to be presented during the appeals process.


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I could not agree more. You got to have a very good memory to be a liar !


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''


With no due offence to the "Original plate owners" or the "Rebel want to be owners"; The hackney plates are the property of The City Of York Council and thus belong to the Citizens of York. For the purpose of making transporation of it's citizens available by Hackney Carriage. No one owns these plates in reality and the monetary value has become placed on them because of slack, incompetent management of them, by the employed servants of York Council.

My values and inner feelings towards this whole matter is, Deregulation will have to be implemented because why should the Rate payers of York fund this ridiculous scenario any further.


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