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| Author: | grumpy [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PHV vehicles "ranking" |
Sorry about this, I've taken a lazy fit, and can't be bothered looking for the answer in the myriad of information concerning our trade and PHVs. Are PHVs required by law to return to a base, unless given a radio hire on whilst out on the road ? If so, does this apply in Scotland? The reason for asking is there are 2 operators in Falkirk who allow their PHVs to "rank" alongside general plates on their "pseudo" ranks situated near the supermarkets they have free phones in. I have no direct interest in this happening, other than I think it's wrong. I will be attending a forum meeting in a fortnight and would like to clarify the situation before I raise it with the licensing officer. On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account? |
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| Author: | Over & Out [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
grumpy wrote: Sorry about this, I've taken a lazy fit, and can't be bothered looking for the answer in the myriad of information concerning our trade and PHVs.
Are PHVs required by law to return to a base, unless given a radio hire on whilst out on the road ? If so, does this apply in Scotland? The reason for asking is there are 2 operators in Falkirk who allow their PHVs to "rank" alongside general plates on their "pseudo" ranks situated near the supermarkets they have free phones in. I have no direct interest in this happening, other than I think it's wrong. I will be attending a forum meeting in a fortnight and would like to clarify the situation before I raise it with the licensing officer. On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account? Handy taxis in Dundee had a similar situation at an asda store, our enforcement officer told the PH it was illegal for them to sit and apply for hire they no longer sit there unless they have a call. Regards having to return to base I have searched but have not yet been unable to find any legislation of that nature. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:58 pm ] |
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Isnt a rank the only place a HC can await a job too though?....not a layby or suchlike.... requiring a PH to return to base after a drop is a waste of fuel, and against all the green issues currently at the fore in the news, if they arent touting or plying or taking a flag down, whats the problem exactly BTW, theres nothing about this in our PH regs. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:47 pm ] |
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In Scotland, a PH (or taxi) must return to it's licensed area upon completion of a hire, unless it has another hire to go to. Returning to base is not required. |
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| Author: | grumpy [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:20 pm ] |
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Thanks all for the answers. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
grumpy wrote: Are PHVs required by law to return to a base, unless given a radio hire on whilst out on the road ? If so, does this apply in Scotland?
Not sure about Scotland, but in England the answer is yes and no. ](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall")
No because it's not written in any statutes, and yes because some councils write it up as a condition of license. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
grumpy wrote: On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account?
The DfT say it should i.e. recent best practise, but Halcrow say it shouldn't i.e. old case law. But if PH are illegally picking up, then that's defined as taxi SUD i.e. recent case law. |
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| Author: | Jeckle [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
Sussex wrote: grumpy wrote: On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account? The DfT say it should i.e. recent best practise, but Halcrow say it shouldn't i.e. old case law. But if PH are illegally picking up, then that's defined as taxi SUD i.e. recent case law. It means that PH are breaking the law. They do it blatantly in front of me when I am for hire... so that is a load of rubbish |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
Jeckle wrote: Sussex wrote: grumpy wrote: On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account? The DfT say it should i.e. recent best practise, but Halcrow say it shouldn't i.e. old case law. But if PH are illegally picking up, then that's defined as taxi SUD i.e. recent case law. It means that PH are breaking the law. They do it blatantly in front of me when I am for hire... so that is a load of rubbish WTF are you on about? 
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| Author: | cabbyman [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:07 pm ] |
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If PHV don't return to base but are parked up, is that not illegal plying for hire if they are in public view?? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:47 pm ] |
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cabbyman wrote: If PHV don't return to base but are parked up, is that not illegal plying for hire if they are in public view??
No. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:14 pm ] |
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cabbyman wrote: If PHV don't return to base but are parked up, is that not illegal plying for hire if they are in public view??
if i signwrite the roof of my PHV, and assuming google earth takes a decent image, could that be touting/plying for hire?....unless covered. 
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| Author: | Doom [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:49 am ] |
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I was always led to believe a PHV should return to base after a job, totally unworkable imo and wastful, but there is a flip side to it, it should be illegal, or actually is for a PHV to sit and wait near pubs,clubs,station's etc, this to me is inviting the public to offer money to the driver for an unbooked ride, but if the PHV wasn't parked up near these sort of places the temptation would be removed, I've nothing against a PHV waiting in a side road or on an industrial estate for a call, but being blatant is just considered crass, the older lads I used to PH with use their loaf, I know they have a pinch if they can get away with it, but a lot of the newer drivers think they are HC's and it's their right to pull on a rank and take whoever is standing there, we've all done it at some time but when you ignore your radio to constantly form an illegal rank and overcharge ppl, then something is wrong. |
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| Author: | Smoked Glass [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PHV vehicles "ranking" |
Sussex wrote: grumpy wrote: On a similar vein, does an unmet demand survey take PHVs into account? The DfT say it should i.e. recent best practise, but Halcrow say it shouldn't i.e. old case law. But if PH are illegally picking up, then that's defined as taxi SUD i.e. recent case law. |
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| Author: | toots [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:47 pm ] |
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cabbyman wrote: If PHV don't return to base but are parked up, is that not illegal plying for hire if they are in public view??
I can just imagine the chaos caused cos all the Delta drivers return to base before getting another job. There's only 1700 of them, there abouts 
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