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| Author: | taximanchester [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Council of Councils! |
Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy? Further upon finding over 1 Major or 3 Minor faults, renders the vehicle not fit for re-licensing, is this Legal? 
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| Author: | captain cab [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Council of Councils! |
taximanchester wrote: Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy?
Further upon finding over 1 Major or 3 Minor faults, renders the vehicle not fit for re-licensing, is this Legal? Carlisle......vehicle over 3 years old CC |
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| Author: | tx_op [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:01 pm ] |
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Dundee... 4. Notwithstanding the terms of Condition 2 above, taxis will be tested under the following schedule: - Taxis up to five years old - one test per annum Taxis aged between five and eight years - two tests per annum Taxis aged over eight years - three tests per annum |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Council of Councils! |
taximanchester wrote: Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy?
I think 3 tests a year is too much, but I suppose the rule would be no cabs licensed older than 10 years if they didn't have the three test rule. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Council of Councils! |
Sussex wrote: taximanchester wrote: Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy? I think 3 tests a year is too much, but I suppose the rule would be no cabs licensed older than 10 years if they didn't have the three test rule. We have 3 tests per year and still vehicles fail. CC |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Council of Councils! |
Sussex wrote: taximanchester wrote: Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy? I think 3 tests a year is too much, but I suppose the rule would be no cabs licensed older than 10 years if they didn't have the three test rule. Three test a year is the maximum allowed under the LG(MP) Act 1976. But once they do three a year, the council can't call you in for a spot check. So they get the police to do it instead. You can't win with this lot!! |
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| Author: | toots [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Council of Councils! |
captain cab wrote: Sussex wrote: taximanchester wrote: Manchester City Council recently introduced 3 tests per year on Hackney carriages over 10 years old. Can Taxi Driver online advise if there is any other UK council with same policy? I think 3 tests a year is too much, but I suppose the rule would be no cabs licensed older than 10 years if they didn't have the three test rule. We have 3 tests per year and still vehicles fail. CC That's cos they don't fix it until it drops off 
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| Author: | taximanchester [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | 3 Faults & your out! |
Cheers Fella's, on the 3 test ruling, anyone advise about the Legality of the 3 fault ruling? In consideration Manchester City Council employ the testers who obviously are un-independant, thus finding 3 faults is a cakewalk, if they are out to get you, what chance?? Now they say there is no right of appeal on their opinionated testers findings???? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 3 Faults & your out! |
taximanchester wrote: Cheers Fella's, on the 3 test ruling, anyone advise about the Legality of the 3 fault ruling? In consideration Manchester City Council employ the testers who obviously are un-independant, thus finding 3 faults is a cakewalk, if they are out to get you, what chance?? Now they say there is no right of appeal on their opinionated testers findings????
I'm not sure about the legality of a 3 fault ruling, surely the council need to consider the type of fault? CC |
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| Author: | toots [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 3 Faults & your out! |
captain cab wrote: taximanchester wrote: Cheers Fella's, on the 3 test ruling, anyone advise about the Legality of the 3 fault ruling? In consideration Manchester City Council employ the testers who obviously are un-independant, thus finding 3 faults is a cakewalk, if they are out to get you, what chance?? Now they say there is no right of appeal on their opinionated testers findings???? I'm not sure about the legality of a 3 fault ruling, surely the council need to consider the type of fault? CC You're a rep you should know 
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 3 Faults & your out! |
toots wrote: You're a rep you should know I'm not a rep.
Although I would offer the view that if a person in good faith takes his cab to a garage prior to a test, has it checked over with all faults corrected. Then that vehicle is taken for test and subsequently fails, then surely revoking a license is unreasonable? CC |
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| Author: | toots [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:14 am ] |
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Quote: I'm not a rep.
Not another bloody apology  Sorry CC
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 3 Faults & your out! |
taximanchester wrote: Cheers Fella's, on the 3 test ruling, anyone advise about the Legality of the 3 fault ruling? In consideration Manchester City Council employ the testers who obviously are un-independant, thus finding 3 faults is a cakewalk, if they are out to get you, what chance?? Now they say there is no right of appeal on their opinionated testers findings????
If you are failed on an MOT issue, then there is a right of appeal (to the MOT Inspectorate) then & there & the testing garage has to have a supply of appeal forms. It might be as well for drivers in such Draconian testing areas to find out where their nearest MOT Inspectorate is & their telephone number. Many years ago in Solihull (almost 20 years ago now), a then trade rep did just that; appealed against the MOT testers findings. He was at the garage when his vehicle, a black cab, was re-tested on the faults found by the MOT tetser, either that day or the following day (can't remember which now). He witnessed the MOT Inspectorate's testing assessor, virtually 'tearing a strip off' the MOT tester for being too pedantic & strict. His MOT failure certificate was substituted for an MOT pass. So it does work, but you have to act very quickly, then & there & know the proceedure for appealing in detail!! |
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| Author: | taximanchester [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | What Chance +10? |
Thanx again fella's, however this discriminatory policy is beyond the pale, have a look at this manual http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scrip ... oadID=2988 I count no less than 198 listed Minor faults, & 299 Majors, on that score you would be lucky to pass a brand new cab, any thoughts??? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What Chance +10? |
taximanchester wrote: Thanx again fella's, however this discriminatory policy is beyond the pale, have a look at this manual http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scrip ... oadID=2988
I count no less than 198 listed Minor faults, & 299 Majors, on that score you would be lucky to pass a brand new cab, any thoughts??? I tend to disagree with you (don't take it personal I tend to disagree with everyone  )
I refer you to my previous answer, I am not a mechanic and my council has no condition of license requiring me to have any mechanical knowledge outside of the obvious checking bulbs, tyres and under the bonnet checks. I take my cab to a garage of good repute prior to test, I get it service and checked over, with any faults repaired. It then goes for test in good faith and subsequently fails. The council then revoke my vehicle license. Do you think a judge would sympathise with my plight if the council revoked my license and I brought the service and maintenance records of the vehicle to the court? Is the action of the council fair and reasonable? Personally I think the court would be sympathetic to me. CC |
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