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 Post subject: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:25 pm 
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How do we stand, as HC, when it comes to taking a customer to a garage to buy a gallon of petrol and transporting it back to the 'dry' vehicle?

How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?


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Dunno...we dont have any Motorway anywhere in the Scottish Borders region..just little bits of intermittant duel carriageway now and again.. :sad:


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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:59 am 
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cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand, as HC, when it comes to taking a customer to a garage to buy a gallon of petrol and transporting it back to the 'dry' vehicle?

How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?

I never do jobs like this, ever!

You would be carrying a highly flammable liquid & if you read your insurance policy iy almost certainly is a condition of insurance NOT to carry flammable or explosive material .

Also, if the motorist has run out of fuel, the chances are that he / she is low on money, so what chance have you getting your fare?

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:03 am 
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cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand, as HC, when it comes to taking a customer to a garage to buy a gallon of petrol and transporting it back to the 'dry' vehicle?

How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?

If you don't charge, other than maybe to cover your costs, then you are acting the good Samaritan and no court will convict.

If you are making a profit out of the job, then it should come under 'hire and reward' and you would need whatever licenses to do so.

If however the customer gave you a £10/20/30 drink for being such a good Samaritan, then that's a gift which should give you enough cover. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:07 am 
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Sussex wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand, as HC, when it comes to taking a customer to a garage to buy a gallon of petrol and transporting it back to the 'dry' vehicle?

How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?

If you don't charge, other than maybe to cover your costs, then you are acting the good Samaritan and no court will convict.

If you are making a profit out of the job, then it should come under 'hire and reward' and you would need whatever licenses to do so.

If however the customer gave you a £10/20/30 drink for being such a good Samaritan, then that's a gift which should give you enough cover. :wink:


So can anyone accept a "gift" from someone in distress for helping them out?

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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Sussex wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand, as HC, when it comes to taking a customer to a garage to buy a gallon of petrol and transporting it back to the 'dry' vehicle?

How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?

If you don't charge, other than maybe to cover your costs, then you are acting the good Samaritan and no court will convict.

If you are making a profit out of the job, then it should come under 'hire and reward' and you would need whatever licenses to do so.

If however the customer gave you a £10/20/30 drink for being such a good Samaritan, then that's a gift which should give you enough cover. :wink:


dont charge?.......aarrrghhhh

small amounts of hazardous material can be carried without any need for an ADR licence, paint is in the same group, it is flammable (paint as opposed to emulsion which is water based)

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:05 pm 
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cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?


You are only allowed to stop on the hard shoulder in an emergency. I doubt saving someone from a 90 minute wait would count as an emergency.

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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So can anyone accept a "gift" from someone in distress for helping them out?

Depends what the gift is. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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gusmac wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
How do we stand if we pick up a customer from a motorway hard shoulder and return him and his petrol to the same spot?

Would your answer change if that person had phoned Highways Agency, been told a minimum of 90 mins wait before assistance could be sent and he elected self-help as a remedy?


You are only allowed to stop on the hard shoulder in an emergency. I doubt saving someone from a 90 minute wait would count as an emergency.


Dont the HATOs carry a can of fuel?

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:41 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
So can anyone accept a "gift" from someone in distress for helping them out?

Depends what the gift is. :wink:


In an earlier post you sugested a £10 to £30 drink.

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
So can anyone accept a "gift" from someone in distress for helping them out?

Depends what the gift is. :wink:


In an earlier post you sugested a £10 to £30 drink.


i only drink diet coke, thats 40ltrs worth to me....

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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In an earlier post you sugested a £10 to £30 drink.

There are other methods of payment. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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small amounts of hazardous material can be carried without any need for an ADR licence, paint is in the same group, it is flammable (paint as opposed to emulsion which is water based)

I have still to see an insurance policy that allows any flammable / explosive material to be carried!! It is always an exclusion clause.

As for ..... a small amount ..... who will quantify a small amount if your vehicle goes up in flames? I bet the insurance company will want to do that.

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
small amounts of hazardous material can be carried without any need for an ADR licence, paint is in the same group, it is flammable (paint as opposed to emulsion which is water based)

I have still to see an insurance policy that allows any flammable / explosive material to be carried!! It is always an exclusion clause.

As for ..... a small amount ..... who will quantify a small amount if your vehicle goes up in flames? I bet the insurance company will want to do that.

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Dont black cabs go up in flames anyway?

if a passenger gets in on the rank carrying a gallon of petrol, turps, paint or even a can of WD40, would you refuse?

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 Post subject: Re: Petrol and Motorway
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
small amounts of hazardous material can be carried without any need for an ADR licence, paint is in the same group, it is flammable (paint as opposed to emulsion which is water based)

I have still to see an insurance policy that allows any flammable / explosive material to be carried!! It is always an exclusion clause.

As for ..... a small amount ..... who will quantify a small amount if your vehicle goes up in flames? I bet the insurance company will want to do that.

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Dont black cabs go up in flames anyway?

if a passenger gets in on the rank carrying a gallon of petrol, turps, paint or even a can of WD40, would you refuse?

Matey, they don't get in my cab if they're chomping burgers & chips & whatnot!!

They've got no chance.

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