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Author:  grandad [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:14 am ]
Post subject:  seat belts
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?
Author:  taxitone [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:57 am ]
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mine is a 52 plate TX2 its got seat belts for the rear facing seats, but another driver got 97 TX1 and that aint got seat belts for rear facing seats,Thats the way it was made so la license them here(Thurrock)
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.
Author:  grandad [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


Even though there is no law that requires them?
Author:  jimbo [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


And I would say no.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.

Even though there is no law that requires them?

Of course the council can insist!!

It's in the legislation.

Section 47 of The LG (MP) Act 1976 states;

47 Licensing of hackney carriages
(1) A district council may attach to the grant of a licence of a hackney carriage under the Act of 1847 such conditions as the district council may consider reasonably necessary.
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing subsection, a district council may require any hackney carriage licensed by them under the Act of 1847 to be of such design or appearance or bear such distinguishing marks as shall clearly identify it as a hackney carriage.
(3) Any person aggrieved by any conditions attached to such a licence may appeal to a magistrates' court.

So if the proprietor is of an aggrieved nature, he can have his say at Magistrates' Court.
Author:  skippy41 [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
jimbo wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


And I would say no.


I must have got out of bed on the wrong side today because I have to agree with Jimbo :shock:
If the cab never had them or where designed without them, fitting after market ones could be deemed dangerous for the user,as they have never been factory tested, and would the insurance company pay up if the passenger was injured using them
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


Even though there is no law that requires them?

Councils do many things that are written in statute, like dress codes and knowledge tests for drivers, and extra mechanical checks on vehicles.

Seats in cabs need seat belts, otherwise you will be sued to buggery should an accident occur..
Author:  skippy41 [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


Even though there is no law that requires them?

Councils do many things that are written in statute, like dress codes and knowledge tests for drivers, and extra mechanical checks on vehicles.

Quote:
Seats in cabs need seat belts, otherwise you will be sued to buggery should an accident occur..


The law states that seat belts must be used [b]IF they are available[/b]
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
skippy41 wrote:
The law states that seat belts must be used IF they are available

Yes, but if a council says you must have seat belts for all your seats then no court in the land is going to oppose it.
Author:  skippy41 [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
Sussex wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
The law states that seat belts must be used IF they are available

Yes, but if a council says you must have seat belts for all your seats then no court in the land is going to oppose it.


But if they where not fitted at the time of manufacture and there are no fixing points how can they fit them???
Author:  skippy41 [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:57 pm ]
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The only way would be to remove them cabs from service so that owners can comply by buying a cab that has them
Author:  Smoked Glass [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
skippy41 wrote:
jimbo wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Can a council insist that seat belts are fitted for use with rear facing seats in vehicles such as the TX range and Metrocabs?

I would say yes.


And I would say no.


I must have got out of bed on the wrong side today because I have to agree with Jimbo :shock:
If the cab never had them or where designed without them, fitting after market ones could be deemed dangerous for the user,as they have never been factory tested, and would the insurance company pay up if the passenger was injured using them
Would the insurance company pay-up after the driver has been found to have no seat belts in his cab or even after the driver has been told to fit them and ignored the LA, mmm :-k . I know what your are saying could be deemed reasonable, but I think its possible that a judge may say its more than reasonable to expect seat belts to be fitted in all vehicles.
However your local bus operator has no such law to worry about and one could possible argue this point successfully!
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: seat belts
skippy41 wrote:
But if they where not fitted at the time of manufacture and there are no fixing points how can they fit them???

Maybe they can't, which is why the council shouldn't license them.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:18 pm ]
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Councils can claim certain vehicles arent safe to be plated (as in 9 seater VW transporters with tip up seats,etc) despite 1000s being in private hands...

id guess yes


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