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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:57 am 
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Had an e-mail from this chap requesting views/help from the good people of TDO.

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I am writing to ask if TDO is aware of good practice in managing 'ranking' of private hire vehicles

In Norwich we have an issue where there is no parking for private hire vehicles but a number of poorly used hackney carriage ranks.

Consequently there is a over supply of black cab parking and under supply of private hire parking; yet legally the council cannot create a private hire rank.

Has this issue been dealt with by the TDO, or can this question be posed to members?

I would be interested to find out what the industry thinks

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:12 am 
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I'm not sure a PH rank can ever become a PH rank.

What I mean is a row of PH sitting together is no-more than that.

IMO if a council licenses a vehicle, be that hackney or PH, they have a duty to ensure those vehicles can work legally. And that means somewhere to park up when free.

Clearly PH shouldn't park up near ranks or the like, but if two or three of them sit in a car park chatting, then that will never be classed as ranking IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:14 am 
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Sussex wrote:
I'm not sure a PH rank can ever become a PH rank.

What I mean is a row of PH sitting together is no-more than that.

IMO if a council licenses a vehicle, be that hackney or PH, they have a duty to ensure those vehicles can work legally. And that means somewhere to park up when free.

Clearly PH should park up near ranks or the like, but if two or three of them sit in a car park chatting, then that will never be classed as ranking IMO.



It would be nice to make sure we have adequate ranking space for hackney carriages before we start to worry about PH :sad:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:17 am 
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A very insignificant representative of this industry feels very strongly yet that this whole affair of seperating into Hackney and PH is utter crap and should be abandoned the sooner the better! :evil: One class of taxis, one class of ranks for all of them! No more trouble, no more confusion!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:21 am 
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Jochen Lembke wrote:
A very insignificant representative of this industry feels very strongly yet that this whole affair of seperating into Hackney and PH is utter crap and should be abandoned the sooner the better! :evil: One class of taxis, one class of ranks for all of them! No more trouble, no more confusion!

Well I agree with that, however I think that particular boat has set sail.

Although the Northern Ireland situation does give me a little ray of hope. :-$

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:30 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Although the Northern Ireland situation does give me a little ray of hope. :-$


From speaking to some of the Northern Ireland taxi trade the situation there is terrible.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:06 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
From speaking to some of the Northern Ireland taxi trade the situation there is terrible.

Have you spoken to the taxi trade in any part of the UK (other than GBC land) that doesn't share that opinion? :-k

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Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
From speaking to some of the Northern Ireland taxi trade the situation there is terrible.

Have you spoken to the taxi trade in any part of the UK (other than GBC land) that doesn't share that opinion? :-k



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:45 pm 
Jochen Lembke wrote:
A very insignificant representative of this industry feels very strongly yet that this whole affair of seperating into Hackney and PH is utter crap and should be abandoned the sooner the better! :evil: One class of taxis, one class of ranks for all of them! No more trouble, no more confusion!



Are you for real mate, what you said there shows a complete ignorance of any vision.

Tell me Jochen, once you return to the UK and lets say it goes the way you wish, how are you going to get on a rank for 20 that has 500 cars trying to get on it?

I know, you'll shrug your shoulders and move on somewhere else won't you, I don't make policy for the German people, please don't come here with your good idea's there are enough clueless British folks around without you adding to them.


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I would request to leave the issue of nationality out, Doom, and just focus on the facts.
In terms of facts, what exactly is it you are accusing me of?
When all PH are to be transferred into Hacks, then there is the need for more ranking space, obviously, so more ranking space has to be issued.
Yet, there wouldn´t actually be very much more need, for a lot of hacks would just sit and wait in a quiet corner for the next job like the PH now, for there is no point to go to a rank, if there are no additional passengers using them.
But it would be a good thing for a start to fill up the ranks which are notoriously empty, so that it would attract passengers to begin to use that rank, for they know now all of a sudden there is always someone waiting there. Just an example.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:01 pm 
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JL: The usual reason for a Rank being empty is that is does not generate sufficient Traffic Flow to make, waiting on it, a viable proposition.

I hope that Mini Cabs/PH's, whatever you wish to call them, are never allowed to Ply for Hire.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:16 pm 
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At the minute I am too busy for a general discussion about PH/Hack for I have to deal with a very sexy, yet very easily spooked young lady and the tendency of (German) police to be more preoccupied with the investigation of those pretty lady´s concerns than right-wing killers aiming at male foreigners (a fact of which you surely have heard even in the UK and I am deeply ashamed of by the way, I mean not about the pretty lady I might have spooked, but about the fact of ongoing Nazidom in my homecountry) which might get me in jail for civil resistance. (Yes, I do have something of a rebel)

Right, so, erm, just shortly: I have already mentioned here that in my opinion an unused rank should go back to the council, thus enabling us to demand new ones, where they are supposedly more frequented.
Yet, a rank is not frequented when a. it is just simply not d... frequented. b. when people say, "whenever I come here to get a cab there bl...y is no one".

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:29 pm 
Jochen Lembke wrote:
I would request to leave the issue of nationality out, Doom, and just focus on the facts.
In terms of facts, what exactly is it you are accusing me of?
When all PH are to be transferred into Hacks, then there is the need for more ranking space, obviously, so more ranking space has to be issued.
Yet, there wouldn´t actually be very much more need, for a lot of hacks would just sit and wait in a quiet corner for the next job like the PH now, for there is no point to go to a rank, if there are no additional passengers using them.
But it would be a good thing for a start to fill up the ranks which are notoriously empty, so that it would attract passengers to begin to use that rank, for they know now all of a sudden there is always someone waiting there. Just an example.



Jochen, that just about 100% proves you have no idea about what you speak of.

Regarding nationality, why should I be gagged about it, you are I guess German or Austrian? so what is the big deal about that, or have you discovered the anti white black man way of gagging anyone who dares disagree with you, fact is you aren't British you have arrived here and been allowed to settle and work here, EU right I know and I have no issue with that, but working in a very multicultural place myself I know 100% if I went to any other country and started suggesting things like you have I'd be told to shut up and keep out of it, including Germany, which is what makes Germany Germany, they don't buckle to everyone who arrives with the demanding head on, there, you got it out of me, an admiration for German's.

Ranks that are empty are empty because nobody wants a cab from them, poorly located in other words, quiet pub = bad beer/staff, busy pub = good beer/staff, as for making new ranks? where? the council wants every prime site for parking meter's and making new ones that simply won't harvest anything is pointless.

Lemme try to enlighten you

You ride a bike cos you don't want to walk or can't afford the bus
You ride a bus cos you don't want to walk or get wet
You ride a taxi cos you don't want to sit on a bus with undesirables
You ride a limo cos you want the best experience as a paying customer
You employ a chauffeur because you want it when you want it in a top class vehicle

It all has it's own levels, now imagine instead of just driving a B&H hack you laid out a sum of money so you could be an OD, does your idea seem like a good one still?

I will give you an experiment to try out, take a bag of 100, 1 Euro coins and stand in the centre of any Eurozone city centre, shout out free money and throw the coins in the air, watch what happens, you will see people barging each other, punching each other and possibly killing each other for a few Euro's, this is mankind for you, and this is what happens when there is oversupply.

Short of that, how about I pop over to the mainland and start interfering over there with things that will effect you, how long before you lose it with me and attack me.

So, to sum up, please do not come here and expect US to bow to YOUR wishes, and that goes for anyone else non British as well, if it's so bad here you know where the connections back to where you originated from are don't you, we dont owe anyone anything, the world actually owes us for being the country that stops other's murdering other's and invents the tech that allows the world to function as it does now, pretty good folks if you look at it properly, but what do we get in return, interference and bad mouthed by the very folks we try to help with aid, medical and education supply, now if you want to be here fair enough, but don't try to advocate things you don't know a lot about and destroy what the small percentage of progressive people are trying to hold on to against a machine that is bent on destroying it and making it in to something like a pidgeon fight in Trafalger Square.


p.s ****'s only rise when those elected fail, you are seeing it because your people have a fight in them still.


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Look, Doom, I don´t know where this anger comes from, but don´t leave it out on me, there is no need to deal any racist card here, in whatever direction, just don´t do it, please!

Now, why don´t you see it the other way round? Not only have I passed the licence and worked as a cabby in England for nine months full time, I have also done this in two other countries (since 85, by the way) and I have spent a lot of thought and consideration about it and have written four novels around the trade.

So, this surely does not make me an expert in UK-cab-trade, but by all means a certain authority in cab-business you should pay at least some respect to, alright?

PS: Are you seriously defending **** here? :?:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:48 pm 
Jochen Lembke wrote:
Look, Doom, I don´t know where this anger comes from, but don´t leave it out on me, there is no need to deal any racist card here, in whatever direction, just don´t do it, please!

Now, why don´t you see it the other way round? Not only have I passed the licence and worked as a cabby in England for nine months full time, I have also done this in two other countries (since 85, by the way) and I have spent a lot of thought and consideration about it and have written four novels around the trade.

So, this surely does not make me an expert in UK-cab-trade, but by all means a certain authority in cab-business you should pay at least some respect to, alright?

PS: Are you seriously defending **** here? :?:



That's my point, there is no racist card being played, you are perceiving one though, and that is classic of why folks don't get along here because one assumes when he's corrected it's racism.

Ok, so you've written 4 novels, Ian Flemming wrote dozens of them, didn't mean any of them were factually correct, ok you have the same time in the job as me and you've been around a bit, but I am British in Britain and I'm fed up with foreign opinion on things that are not foreign business, you will float around on you eco cash plan and leave when you've fecked the place up, very much in the same way as a Locust does, I don't need your input into my job in my country, (find the racism in that if you can) I don't make policy for Germans and I sure as hell don't want them making it for me.


As for defending ****'s, No I am not, but I have extensive knowledge of Germany 1918 - 1939, and it isn't hard to see why the ****'s took control, nor what motivated them to do so either, how anyone can think they can take part of one country and assign it to one next door is unbelievable, those same idiots that did that are currently in control right now, taking from one giving to another and brewing up resentment, let me leave you with this thought, which is worse a Right Wing **** or a Left Wing Facist?


Answer is neither, they are the same thing, both seek to destroy and both work against the mass will.


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