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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:34 pm 
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I've been for my badge renewal today and on the 3 receipts it says Miscellaneous, it doesn't say Badge Renewal at all. No wonder they make a loss on licensing if they don't know where the money is going. :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:
I've been for my badge renewal today and on the 3 receipts it says Miscellaneous, it doesn't say Badge Renewal at all. No wonder they make a loss on licensing if they don't know where the money is going. :roll: :roll:

You need to email them to ask how they know the Miscellaneous fees end up in the taxi licensing budget.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:08 pm 
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Most councils I have delt with use cost codes


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:10 pm 
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And yes your right he council have to keep 2 separate accounts,1for drivers badges and 1 for the rest,if they don't they cannot increase fees.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:53 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:
And yes your right he council have to keep 2 separate accounts,1for drivers badges and 1 for the rest,if they don't they cannot increase fees.



What account does Miscellaneous come under??


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mancityfan wrote:
And yes your right he council have to keep 2 separate accounts,1for drivers badges and 1 for the rest,if they don't they cannot increase fees.



What account does Miscellaneous come under??


Councillors expenses

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Ask them to provide a copy of the Subjective Cost Centre(s) Budget(s) for taxi licensing activity showing the estimated costs and income for 2010/11 against each relevant nominal ledger code. Also ask them to supply a copy of the year to date outturn to the last available accounting period and any forecast outturn for the current financial year. that should keep them busy, always remember they are not allowed to make a profit so you have a right to see where your cash is going


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:03 pm 
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A Council is a District authority and exercises powers under the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and the Local Government( Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 in connection with the grant and supervision of licences for Hackney Carriages, Private Hire Vehicles and Operators of PHV’s as well as the drivers of such vehicles.


The Council is empowered to levy fees for the carrying out of those functions, by virtue of S53(2) and S70(1) of the 1976 Act.



Fees charged must be reasonable and no more than sufficient in the aggregate, in respect of S70, to cover the Council’s costs in whole or in part.


It has been established in a number of cases before the courts that a Council may not derive a profit or surplus from such licensing activity.


While the question of what is ‘reasonable’ can only be resolved by challenge, it seems clear that ‘costs’ charged to accounts to be recovered by licence fee income must be commensurate with the actual and necessary expenditure of human and material resources.


It follows that the Council must be able to demonstrate that those costs charged directly or by apportionment can be identified as being relevant and proportionate


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:55 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:
A Council is a District authority and exercises powers under the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and the Local Government( Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 in connection with the grant and supervision of licences for Hackney Carriages, Private Hire Vehicles and Operators of PHV’s as well as the drivers of such vehicles.


The Council is empowered to levy fees for the carrying out of those functions, by virtue of S53(2) and S70(1) of the 1976 Act.



Fees charged must be reasonable and no more than sufficient in the aggregate, in respect of S70, to cover the Council’s costs in whole or in part.


It has been established in a number of cases before the courts that a Council may not derive a profit or surplus from such licensing activity.


While the question of what is ‘reasonable’ can only be resolved by challenge, it seems clear that ‘costs’ charged to accounts to be recovered by licence fee income must be commensurate with the actual and necessary expenditure of human and material resources.


It follows that the Council must be able to demonstrate that those costs charged directly or by apportionment can be identified as being relevant and proportionate



all very good.

if its the case licensing departments are self financing then surely local budget cuts shouldnt affect them at all.........and if that is true....how come a good number of them are laying off staff and looking to reduce costs.?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:57 pm 
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Because they don't just license taxis?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:02 am 
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stray dogs.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:06 am 
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Massage parlours are going under due to the economic climate,taxi drivers takings are down?


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mancityfan wrote:
Massage parlours are going under due to the economic climate,taxi drivers takings are down?


:lol:

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captain cab wrote:
if its the case licensing departments are self financing then surely local budget cuts shouldnt affect them at all.........and if that is true....how come a good number of them are laying off staff and looking to reduce costs.?


To stop drivers moaning about increased fees?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:23 am 
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mancityfan wrote:
always remember they are not allowed to make a profit so you have a right to see where your cash is going


Yes, and ask them to open up a separate account for the cost of complying with freedom of information requests about costs, so we can see how much all this is adding to licensing fees :lol:


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