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Author:  pickup [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  WHATS IS THE ACTUAL RULES
If one is licensed by a LA in Scotland as a Private Hire. The Private Hire Basis himself in his licence area either in or out of his vehicle. He has a mobile phone and to keep within the law he has a hands free kit in car or blue tooth head set. Whilst in his area he gets a phone call to pick someone up at the railway station outside his area and is requested by the hirer to take him to another railway station in another licence area is this hire legal.

And whilst taxi is heading back to his area he gets another call to pick some up and to take hime to a place within that licence area

Thanks Pickup
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: WHATS IS THE ACTUL RULES
pickup wrote:
If one is licensed by a LA in Scotland as a Private Hire. The Private Hire Basis himself in his licence area either in or out of his vehicle. He has a mobile phone and to keep within the law he has a hands free kit in car or blue tooth head set. Whilst in his area he gets a phone call to pick someone up at the railway station outside his area and is requested by the hirer to take him to another railway station in another licence area is this hire legal.

And whilst taxi is heading back to his area he gets another call to pick some up and to take hime to a place within that licence area

Well as you lot up there don't have operator licenses, then in theory you can pick up any booking from anywhere, from anyone. :shock:
Author:  steveo [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: WHATS IS THE ACTUL RULES
pickup wrote:
If one is licensed by a LA in Scotland as a Private Hire. The Private Hire Basis himself in his licence area either in or out of his vehicle. He has a mobile phone and to keep within the law he has a hands free kit in car or blue tooth head set. Whilst in his area he gets a phone call to pick someone up at the railway station outside his area and is requested by the hirer to take him to another railway station in another licence area is this hire legal.

And whilst taxi is heading back to his area he gets another call to pick some up and to take hime to a place within that licence area

Thanks Pickup


sounds legal as long as you not parked up at said station inviting people to ring the number to book you.
Author:  pickup [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:  RULES ON PICKING UP WE DO HAVE OPERATORS LICENCES
We do have operators licence to run a PH (owner of vehicle)+ the driver is licensed to drive the licenced operators vehicle. One does not need a taxi drivers licence to operate as a taxi operator 2 different licences in Scotland

Drivers taxi licence

OPERATORS LICENCE
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RULES ON PICKING UP WE DO HAVE OPERATORS LICENCES
pickup wrote:
We do have operators licence to run a PH (owner of vehicle)+ the driver is licensed to drive the licenced operators vehicle. One does not need a taxi drivers licence to operate as a taxi operator 2 different licences in Scotland

Drivers taxi licence

OPERATORS LICENCE

Yes I keep forgetting that you call vehicle licenses, operator licenses. :shock:

Down here we call vehicle licenses, vehicle licenses, and operator licenses, operator licenses. :lol:
Author:  Fae Fife [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: WHATS IS THE ACTUAL RULES
pickup wrote:
If one is licensed by a LA in Scotland as a Private Hire. The Private Hire Basis himself in his licence area either in or out of his vehicle. He has a mobile phone and to keep within the law he has a hands free kit in car or blue tooth head set. Whilst in his area he gets a phone call to pick someone up at the railway station outside his area and is requested by the hirer to take him to another railway station in another licence area is this hire legal.

And whilst taxi is heading back to his area he gets another call to pick some up and to take hime to a place within that licence area

Thanks Pickup


As far as I know you can do work in another area as long as you don't base yourself in that area rather than the one your licensed. You can only do work in other areas if you are in your own area when the booking arrives, or if you are returning from another area after taking a job there or back.

So you cant avoid an age rule in Fife by plating your car in Dundee and then just working in Fife all the time, but you can work from Dundee and drive over to Fife to take a job there.

Its been claimed that you can only do jobs to and from your licensing area, so you couldn't run from Fife to Edinburgh on Dundee plates, for example, as one Dundee based company does, but I'm not really too sure about that, but some people seem fairly adamanat about it.

I have a copy of the statutes so I'll have a look over the weekend, but when I've had a look at it in the past its not that clear :-s
Author:  Fae Fife [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RULES ON PICKING UP WE DO HAVE OPERATORS LICENCES
Sussex wrote:
pickup wrote:
We do have operators licence to run a PH (owner of vehicle)+ the driver is licensed to drive the licenced operators vehicle. One does not need a taxi drivers licence to operate as a taxi operator 2 different licences in Scotland

Drivers taxi licence

OPERATORS LICENCE

Yes I keep forgetting that you call vehicle licenses, operator licenses. :shock:

Down here we call vehicle licenses, vehicle licenses, and operator licenses, operator licenses. :lol:


Aye well we call them vehicle operators licenses Mr Sussex.

I mean surely its the vehicle owner that operates the vehicle rather than the base office?
I think its you lot that got it wrong :wink:
Author:  pickup [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: WHATS IS THE ACTUAL RULES
Fae Fife wrote:
pickup wrote:
If one is licensed by a LA in Scotland as a Private Hire. The Private Hire Basis himself in his licence area either in or out of his vehicle. He has a mobile phone and to keep within the law he has a hands free kit in car or blue tooth head set. Whilst in his area he gets a phone call to pick someone up at the railway station outside his area and is requested by the hirer to take him to another railway station in another licence area is this hire legal.

And whilst taxi is heading back to his area he gets another call to pick some up and to take hime to a place within that licence area

Thanks Pickup


As far as I know you can do work in another area as long as you don't base yourself in that area rather than the one your licensed. You can only do work in other areas if you are in your own area when the booking arrives, or if you are returning from another area after taking a job there or back.

So you cant avoid an age rule in Fife by plating your car in Dundee and then just working in Fife all the time, but you can work from Dundee and drive over to Fife to take a job there.

Its been claimed that you can only do jobs to and from your licensing area, so you couldn't run from Fife to Edinburgh on Dundee plates, for example, as one Dundee based company does, but I'm not really too sure about that, but some people seem fairly adamanat about it.

I have a copy of the statutes so I'll have a look over the weekend, but when I've had a look at it in the past its not that clear :-s


Thanks for info

I have been told that if one lives in another area from the licence area then one can still take a booking or to get down to the nitty gritty has one to always in his vehicle and in the licence area at all times with the exception of returning via another area have done a hire
Author:  jimbo [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:57 pm ]
Post subject: 
Am I the only one laughing out here, a PH driver asking what the "RULES" are? Do as you please, like all the rest of 'em!
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:00 pm ]
Post subject: 
jimbo wrote:
Am I the only one laughing out here, a PH driver asking what the "RULES" are? Do as you please, like all the rest of 'em!

He is a Scottish version, so the rules are slightly different.

But I admire your sentiments, and I shall reflect on your advice. :wink:
Author:  captain cab [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:01 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
He is a Scottish version, so the rules are slightly different.


so thats do as you please with a kilt on then :shock:

hehe

Captain Cab
Author:  Flyer [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:53 pm ]
Post subject: 
jimbo wrote:
Am I the only one laughing out here, a PH driver asking what the "RULES" are? Do as you please, like all the rest of 'em!

We have hardly any PH, apart from a few big multi seaters, hence no problems.

In fact it has been mentioned that we are all PH with a license to rank.

Flyer
Author:  Fae Fife [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:32 pm ]
Post subject: 
captain cab wrote:
Quote:
He is a Scottish version, so the rules are slightly different.


so thats do as you please with a kilt on then :shock:

hehe

Captain Cab


I dont think you realise that the only people who wear kilts these days are:

- the English, and others not born in Scotland
- Sean Connery, who is a big SNP man but who prefers to live abroad
- The First Minister Jack McConnel, who wore a pinstripe one :lol: , and the SNP put up posters calling him Joke McConnel.
Author:  Fae Fife [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: WHATS IS THE ACTUAL RULES
pickup wrote:

As far as I know you can do work in another area as long as you don't base yourself in that area rather than the one your licensed. You can only do work in other areas if you are in your own area when the booking arrives, or if you are returning from another area after taking a job there or back.

So you cant avoid an age rule in Fife by plating your car in Dundee and then just working in Fife all the time, but you can work from Dundee and drive over to Fife to take a job there.

Its been claimed that you can only do jobs to and from your licensing area, so you couldn't run from Fife to Edinburgh on Dundee plates, for example, as one Dundee based company does, but I'm not really too sure about that, but some people seem fairly adamanat about it.

I have a copy of the statutes so I'll have a look over the weekend, but when I've had a look at it in the past its not that clear :-s


Thanks for info

I have been told that if one lives in another area from the licence area then one can still take a booking or to get down to the nitty gritty has one to always in his vehicle and in the licence area at all times with the exception of returning via another area have done a hire[/quote]

The Civic government act says the offence of operating in the wrong area does not apply

if the request for its hiring was received by its driver (otherwise than in a public place from the person to be conveyed in it, or a person acting on his behalf, for a journey beginning there and then) whilst

a) in the area or in that part thereof in respect of which its operation and its driver are licensed
b) engaged on a hire on a journey which began in that area or part or will end there
c) returning to that area or part immediately following completion of a journey on hire

The notes say that there is no offence if the request is received by the driver in the are in which he is licensed, or while engagaged on a legitimate hire outside his area, or or while returning to his area. "It therefore follows that it would be an offence ot commence a hire in response to hailing the vehicle in the street outside the licensing area, to station vehicles deliberately or allow them to cruise outwith the licensed area so that they could respond to calls from an office within the area".

I think that means that you would be breaking the law if you lived in an another area and took calls there, but I doubt if that was what the rules were meant to cover - its probably more of a loophole.
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