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Author:  trotskys twin [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  DVLA Group 2
Can anyone assist with advice please

In London encountering problems around eye sight tests TFL T&PH insist in using DVLA Group 2 requirements on medicals consequently Drivers are falling foul of eye sight requirements the question is do other Licencing authorities also use DVLA group 2 requirements or is there another route??


There are Drivers with Advanced motoring qualifications being denied licences and strangely enough their eye sight would be considered ok for a PPL Private Pilots Licence.

I would very much welcome any information on this Capt ? Susex MrT?????????????????????????????


TT
Author:  grandad [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Around here you only need one eye to get a badge.
Author:  trotskys twin [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Very helpful !
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
We have DVLA Group 2 eye-sight tests in Brum.

They are not carried out correctly, because if you've ever taken an eye test at an optician you will have noticed that the eye sight test chart [alphabetic letters reducing in size] is always illuminated.

Our Occupational Health department never have their chart illuminated and believe me it makes a great deal of difference.

Have you ever noticed how much better your eyesight is on a very bright summer's day as opposed to on a dull winter's morning?

I would guess that a lot of those that are failing eye tests do have perfectly good eyesight, but that their eyesight is not being tested under the correct conditions and possibly not at the correct distance from the eye sight test chart.

Many eye test including at opticians are now conducted using a mirror in a smaller room with the eye sight test chart on a wall BEHIND the person being tested but being reflected into a mirror on a wall in front of the applicant. Under these conditions it is critical for the distance from the chart to the mirror to be measured very accurately, as any error in distance will be multiplied by two.

Really, in such conditions the original source eye sight test chart [not the mirror] should be illuminated and the test should be carried out in a darkened room.

My advice to you Dear Kcufing Comrade is get in touch with the natioanl opticians' representative body and see if they can email you the conditions under which their members are obliged to carry out eye sight tests.

I would expect them to tell you some of the following information, or these could be questions you could ask of them;

1. The minimum light conditions [in lumens] under which eye tests should be carried out.
2. The distance from the applicant's eye to the eye sight test chart, bear in mind if a mirror is used the distance is from the applicant's eye, to the mirror plus from the mirror to the eye sight test chart.
3. If a mirror is used in the eye sight test, should that mirror be completely flat.
4. If the mirror is not flat [unlikely], but concave or convex to what degree.
5. The sizes of all the eye sight test chart letters [I believe there are slightly different charts] and the respective distances at which applicant should be tested with each size of letter chart.

There's probably one or two other relevant questions which I forget at present, but that shoud be enought to keep you going and if you speak to them on the phone other questions make pop up during the conversation.

Once you have and are armed with this information, essentially it should be in writing, start asking questions of the eye testing procedures employed by TfL.

Good Luck!!

I kcufing can't believe I'm giving advice to a kcufing BolsheviK Communista!! FFS, I must be getting soft in my old age!!
Author:  gusmac [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Brummie Cabbie wrote:

I kcufing can't believe I'm giving advice to a kcufing BolsheviK Communista!! FFS, I must be getting soft in my old age!!


Even Churchill shook hands with Stalin. He did count his fingers afterwards though :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  trotskys twin [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Brummie much obliged for your advice I would ensure of course that the eye site test was repeated at a major ophthalmic hospital the problem is the standard required by DVLA group 2! Do other lincecsing authorities inssist in such a high standard? If not can we apply that in london?

As for responding to a kfuc--ng trot why not were all in the same industry why wouldnt we assist each other and anyway a bit good natured rudery livens the day up I reckon sure we likely have VERY different opinions so what who gives a flying friar tuck ???????????

You want some advice JOIN A UNION


again thank you for taking the time and making THE EFFORT comrade =D> =D> =D> =D>
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Down here everything is Group 2.

However Gov Best Practice only says it is common for councils to use Group 2, which indicates to me some don't.

So if any council out there doesn't, could folks assist Terry by either posting on here, or for the lurkers out there e-mail Alex at info@taxi-driver.co.uk ?
Author:  MR T [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Liverpool Sefton Group 2. Naleo thing
Author:  trotskys twin [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
#Sussex I aint Terry whoever he might be FFS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
trotskys twin wrote:
#Sussex I aint Terry whoever he might be FFS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Yes he was a right [edited by admin]. :wink:
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I would guess that a lot of those that are failing eye tests do have perfectly good eyesight, but that their eyesight is not being tested under the correct conditions and possibly not at the correct distance from the eye sight test chart.


That might be a factor, but I would imagine the main problem is that under the normal Group 1 standard you can get away with having a weak eye (or only one eye, as per Grandad's manor) whereas the Group 2 standard is a lot more stringent in that regard, and 'monocularity' is definitely out. Also, if you need glasses or contact lenses that's irrelevant under the Group 1 standard, but with Group 2 you also have to reach an acceptable standard without wearing you glasses or contacts.

As far as I can make out the bad eye under Group 2 has to be the same standard as the good eye under the Group 1 standard, and the Group 2 good eye a fair bit better than the Group 1 good eye.

There's a makeshift print-out eye chart here:

http://www.driversmedicals.com/eyetest.pdf

The DVLA stuff is here, via the link described as "At a glance guide" - Looking at the linked document I think someone's taking the pish :roll:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/medical/Visi ... -2012.aspx
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
trotskys twin wrote:
As for responding to a kfuc--ng trot why not were all in the same industry why wouldnt we assist each other and anyway a bit good natured rudery livens the day up I reckon sure we likely have VERY different opinions so what who gives a flying friar tuck ???????????

Looks like I've hit a raw nerve, which I didn't expect the joy of.

Dear Bolshevik Comrade Brother Tovarishch Trotsky Twin, if I had meant what I had written at the end of my post, then I wouldn't have spent the time typing what I did and posting it. The last line was written 'tongue in cheek', I forgot the line of :lol: at the end of that part of the post [again] and you bit.

Now there's a first for you on TDO!!

Hooooooooook, line and sinker comes to mind!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  trotskys twin [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Brummie no raw nerve at all sincerely many thanks for your time and effort in assisting me with this issue its much appreciated and of course everyone else who has assisted MANY THANKS any more info would be most welcome COMRADES O:) O:) O:) O:) O:) O:) O:)
Author:  Chris the Fish [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
Group II in Plymouth. Got to do mine in the next week or two.
Author:  captain cab [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DVLA Group 2
group 2 here as well; i dont have a list of councils and their medical standards though.

personally, I think group 2 medicals are sh*te as they take away a doctors discretion.
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