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| Author: | stephenn [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front seat |
Hello, wish to get clarity on these two issues, for a private hire licensed for 4 passengers Q1. How many extra passengers.... 1 under 3yr? or 2 under 2yr? Q2. For private hire is there a min age/height of child/person in front seat? The first question arises from these points that don't match... Quote: • The only exception to this is that two children (under the age of two years) may be carried in addition to the number specified on your private hire plate. Quote taken from post on this board... link here slave labour incIs this saying that 4 persons PLUS 2 under two year olds can go in the car? I was led to beleive (but no official reference) that you could carry 4 persons plus one under 3 year old The number and the age is conflicting.... Which is correct/incorrect? Where, if anywhere is this written for our defining (legal) protection/decision making information The second question (and the first) arises from this scenario... for future clarity One adult comes out the house with four children.... (all 5 to be transported).... the driver politely enquires if the smallest is under/over 3yrs and the adult immediately blurts "other drivers have done it before".... (kind of sidelining key info and replacing it with an unpleasant discourtesy)..... ..... then the adult proceeds to swiftly open the front passenger door and usher into the seat one of the children about 7/8 years and small in height. The driver politely asks again about the age of youngest.... and is again greated with just another discourteous blag.... followed by a fast and angry decamp with out-of-nowhere shouts of "never use you again"... Leaving a driver feeling quite horrible, but thinking... .... what if an accident occured (never had one)... and the youngest was found to be four years... and the adult with discourtesy continued attitude to sell driver out, as saying driver didn't care how many got in... etc etc.... .... dead in the water insurance wise... and a reasonably considerate reputation... destroyed... comes to mind AND SO: to get clarity on two issues Q1. How many extra passengers.... 1 under 3yr? or 2 under 2yr? Q2. For private hire is there a min age/height of children in front seat? Thanks for thoughts/knowledge |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
Four passengers means exactly that. Whether they are 70 years or 70 days old. If anything the finacial liability of a baby is vastly more than an old fogey. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
As for Q2, the answer is no. Providing they are fully secured in a legal manner. |
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| Author: | stephenn [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
Thanks for reply 4 means 4.... is now a third line of thinking that is being banded around. It is the one I would prefer it was.... it would always provide the option of all to be appropriately strapped in (ie a child present and the adults had child seat or booster seat). I know the law does not require this bit in taxis, but '4 means 4' would provide ALL with a safe option. Anyway, although I wish '4 means 4'... I still search for the legal gumph???? anyone know where it is legally written. cheers. |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
Ask your insurance company for clarity with regards to numbers  Personally I don't take more than 4 passengers regardless of age and I never allow children in the front seat unless all 4 passengers are children (which has never occurred). The service I provide is for 4 passengers, end of. I don't need clarity it's my vehicle 
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| Author: | stephenn [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
Yes, agree. The top issue is our own car and responsibility for 'content'. My default call to date is 4 means 4 and also no small children front seats. When the person went into outrage, with tag lines like 'all the other drivers have never worried about it' etc... I figured I'd seek wider advice in case I was just uncomfortable with something that is actually legally OK.... In which case they would be legally ok to demand me put em all in. Asked locally and got a range... but no definitive Looked on here and see a range also... but no difinitive Will stick to 4 is 4 default until something definitive, reads to the contrary. cheers for thoughts |
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
stephenn wrote: Yes, agree. The top issue is our own car and responsibility for 'content'. My default call to date is 4 means 4 and also no small children front seats. When the person went into outrage, with tag lines like 'all the other drivers have never worried about it' etc... I figured I'd seek wider advice in case I was just uncomfortable with something that is actually legally OK.... In which case they would be legally ok to demand me put em all in. Asked locally and got a range... but no definitive Looked on here and see a range also... but no difinitive Will stick to 4 is 4 default until something definitive, reads to the contrary. cheers for thoughts Why not go straight to the horses mouth and ask your licensing officer. |
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| Author: | stephenn [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
grandad wrote: Why not go straight to the horses mouth and ask your licensing officer. Yep. Wise thought, thanks. Have that on 'to do' list |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
grandad wrote: Why not go straight to the horses mouth and ask your licensing officer. 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
Cos our LA would take so long to answer that the babe-in-arms would be at uni... |
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| Author: | Steven Toy [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarity please... extra passengers and child in front se |
4 means 4. End of. If the adult says at the start, "I will never use you again," my response is, "you won't be using me this time either! If other drivers are prepared to risk driving without insurance and losing their livelihoods that's up to them. How would you feel if your littlest 'un was injured and I was deemed uninsured?" This usually elicits an apology. If not, they ring for another cab. |
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