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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:07 pm 
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No it is not the marriage engagement...............as there are only one set of rules - that vary, and change, by the hour........on that I saying no more :roll:


The scenario, infact it was not a scenario it was an accusation made against me years ago re cherry picking, that I was able to disprove.


You /I get a letter from the L.A saying that an allegation has been made against you/I, and that you have to attend a meeting to discuss the problem! You ask them what the problem is - but they refuse to tell you, prior to the meeting.


Do they have the right to withhold information/accusations, without giving you the opportunity to prepare a defense/answer prior to the meeting.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 pm 
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Personally I wouldn't go to any such meeting without being advised what it is about! Send them a Freedom of Information request if they refuse to give anything voluntarily.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:56 pm 
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Take a solicitor or a trade rep with you.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:09 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
You /I get a letter from the L.A saying that an allegation has been made against you/I, and that you have to attend a meeting to discuss the problem! You ask them what the problem is - but they refuse to tell you, prior to the meeting.


Do they have the right to withhold information/accusations, without giving you the opportunity to prepare a defense/answer prior to the meeting.

You attend the meeting, listen to what the accusation says, say nothing and then leave saying that you are going to contact your solicitor before you make a statement.

Then get the solicitor to write you one.

That said any LO that doesn't give you a brief outline of any accusation is a c***.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:50 pm 
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Tbh I did not what the lay of the land was - so to speak.

At the time I was met with.........this interview will be conducted under P.A.C.E guidelines.

Having gone along with it, and found out that they do NOT conform to their own "Constitution" - then it will never happen again. I have retained letters and the original "Tape (P.A.C.E)", that proves that they are not in their own minds answerable. I did not push it at the time because I was proven right...........and that there could always be a next time that I could/would need to dig out and expose their flawed system My own thoughts are that it would make their investigations inadmissible, if they do not conform to their own "Set out Rules".

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:06 pm 
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you have the right to remain silent...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:38 pm 
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Do licencing authorities have the power to conduct interviews under PACE conditions?

A good way to f88k them up is to, at the start of the interview, ask for a copy of the PACE conditions, sit there and read it thoroughly. they should, like the police, ask you "do you understand?"...answer "NO". End of interview, having taken 3 hours to read and try to understand it!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:48 pm 
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I doubt an LO has the right to use PACE (or MIRANDA) as its mainly applicable tp the police

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:52 pm 
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Current PACE codes

The latest versions of the codes are available below:

Codes A, B and D came into effect after midnight on 6 March 2011
Code C came into effect after midnight on 10 July 2012
Codes E and F came into effect after midnight on 30 April 2010
Code G came into effect after midnight on 12 November 2012
Code H came into effect after midnight on 10 July 2012

Code A 2011

Deals with the exercise by police officers of statutory powers to search a person or a vehicle without first making an arrest. It also deals with the need for a police officer to make a record of a stop or encounter.

Code B 2011

Deals with police powers to search premises and to seize and retain property found on premises and persons.

Code C 2012

Code C sets out the requirements for the detention, treatment and questioning of suspects not related to terrorism in police custody by police officers.

Code D 2011

Concerns the main methods used by the police to identify people in connection with the investigation of offences and the keeping of accurate and reliable criminal records.

Code E 2010

Deals with the audio recording of interviews with suspects in the police station.

Code F 2010

Deals with the visual recording with sound of interviews with suspects. There is no statutory requirement on police officers to visually record interviews. However, the contents of this code should be considered if an interviewing officer decides to make a visual recording with sound of an interview with a suspect.

Code G 2012

Deals with powers of arrest under section 24 the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 as amended by section 110 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

Code H 2012

Code H sets out the requirements for the detention, treatment and questioning of suspects related to terrorism in police custody by police officers.





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:33 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
Do licencing authorities have the power to conduct interviews under PACE conditions?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:59 am 
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roythebus wrote:
Do licencing authorities have the power to conduct interviews under PACE conditions?

A good way to f88k them up is to, at the start of the interview, ask for a copy of the PACE conditions, sit there and read it thoroughly. they should, like the police, ask you "do you understand?"...answer "NO". End of interview, having taken 3 hours to read and try to understand it!



lmao. If applicable - that would really p!$$ them off, and possibly throw a spanner into the works.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:34 am 
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roythebus wrote:
Do licencing authorities have the power to conduct interviews under PACE conditions?

Yes.


If the interview is conducted under PACE is it fair to assume a Criminal Activity is defo being investigated? If so then I would have thought full details of accusation should be available before and a solicitor most certainly taken along. Would "cherry picking" be considered a criminal activity?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:32 am 
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Gobby wrote:
Sussex wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Do licencing authorities have the power to conduct interviews under PACE conditions?

Yes.


If the interview is conducted under PACE is it fair to assume a Criminal Activity is defo being investigated? If so then I would have thought full details of accusation should be available before and a solicitor most certainly taken along. Would "cherry picking" be considered a criminal activity?

As far as I am aware, the police do not have to give any details to a person before the start of an interview. So why would it be any different for the LO? The simple answers have already been given. Don't forget that although the interview is being conducted under PACE, the person being questioned is not under arrest and is free to leave at any time.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:43 am 
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Gobby wrote:
If the interview is conducted under PACE is it fair to assume a Criminal Activity is defo being investigated? If so then I would have thought full details of accusation should be available before and a solicitor most certainly taken along. Would "cherry picking" be considered a criminal activity?

In fairness all license breaches could end up in the court. Thankfully most don't.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:39 am 
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This may be true. However, I would refer the right Honourable Gentleman to the reply I gave earlier: sit there and read PACE!

If they're going to insist on plasying silly buggers, at least read what book they're trying to throw at you! Remember, most council meeting rooms are booked on a time slot basis, so if they've booked the room for say an hour and it takes you 3 hours to read and understand PACE, then the meeting gets terminated after an hour!

I agree the plod rarely tell you what you're being done for in advance and that you are being interviewed under PACE regs. again,ask for a copy, sit and read it. Chances are you'll be given a talking to and told to go away. :-o


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