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Author:  lancsdriver [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
I have recently been made aware of a large London operator sub contracting to a firm in Cheshire.

In the TfL regs it states;

An operator can sub-contract to another operator if:

a) the other operator is also the holder of a London PHV operator’s licence ;
b) or, the sub-contractor is licensed under the Local Government Act 1976 and or
the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that region;
c) or, the other operator accepts the sub-contracted booking in Scotland.

I know A & C don't apply.

As regards to B, the operator is in Cheshire, they have an operators licence in Northumberland (but no vehicles licenced) and the work is coming out of Manchester Airport.

Looks illegal to me. Does it to anybody else?

Also is this something TfL would be bothered about or are they like the Local Licensing bods and can't be arsed getting involved.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
maybe theres a hack plate somewhere which changes it all
Author:  lancsdriver [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
Don't really follow about Hack Plate?

But the company in Cheshire are an "executive" chauffeur company
Author:  grandad [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
lancsdriver wrote:
Don't really follow about Hack Plate?

But the company in Cheshire are an "executive" chauffeur company

I bet they use silver Mercs!
Author:  trotskys twin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
lancsdriver wrote:
I have recently been made aware of a large London operator sub contracting to a firm in Cheshire.

In the TfL regs it states;

An operator can sub-contract to another operator if:

a) the other operator is also the holder of a London PHV operator’s licence ;
b) or, the sub-contractor is licensed under the Local Government Act 1976 and or
the sub-contracted booking is accepted in that region;
c) or, the other operator accepts the sub-contracted booking in Scotland.

I know A & C don't apply.

As regards to B, the operator is in Cheshire, they have an operators licence in Northumberland (but no vehicles licenced) and the work is coming out of Manchester Airport.

Looks illegal to me. Does it to anybody else?

Also is this something TfL would be bothered about or are they like the Local Licensing bods and can't be arsed getting involved.


YES THEY WOULD CALL EM ..............................TT AND PM ME THE COMPANY DETAILS IF YOU CANT POST THEM IN HERE :D
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
lancsdriver wrote:
Looks illegal to me. Does it to anybody else?

Also is this something TfL would be bothered about or are they like the Local Licensing bods and can't be arsed getting involved.

It's a mess, but the mess will be sorted by the new cab act, alas not to the liking of most of the drivers in the country.

Cos the mess is going to be legalised. :sad:
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
lancsdriver wrote:
Don't really follow about Hack Plate?

But the company in Cheshire are an "executive" chauffeur company

If the vehicles where/are hackneys then there is nothing illgal about it now.
Author:  captain cab [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
London PH Operators can sub contract to other PH operators licensed under the 76 act - that's the law and has been since the act started - whats the issue?
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
captain cab wrote:
London PH Operators can sub contract to other PH operators licensed under the 76 act - that's the law and has been since the act started - whats the issue?
I think the issue is that the company office is in Cheshire, The operators license in from Northumberland and none of the vehicles used by the operator are licensed anywhere.
Author:  lancsdriver [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
Sussex, they are not Hackneys.

Grandad, you are spot on with your reply to Captain Cab
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
London PH Operators can sub contract to other PH operators licensed under the 76 act - that's the law and has been since the act started - whats the issue?
I think the issue is that the company office is in Cheshire, The operators license in from Northumberland and none of the vehicles used by the operator are licensed anywhere.


or they are licensed in a "posh cars dont need a plate" area....
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
London PH Operators can sub contract to other PH operators licensed under the 76 act - that's the law and has been since the act started - whats the issue?
I think the issue is that the company office is in Cheshire, The operators license in from Northumberland and none of the vehicles used by the operator are licensed anywhere.


or they are licensed in a "posh cars dont need a plate" area....

No, They are not licensed! It is the company that do the Emirates work from Manchester Airport. They also do the Emirates work from Birmingham Airport. One of my mates who is licensed by South Derbyshire does some work for this company through yet another 3rd party. He talks to the drivers when he is working with them and they are not licensed and nor are their vehicles.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
grandad wrote:
No, They are not licensed! It is the company that do the Emirates work from Manchester Airport. They also do the Emirates work from Birmingham Airport. One of my mates who is licensed by South Derbyshire does some work for this company through yet another 3rd party. He talks to the drivers when he is working with them and they are not licensed and nor are their vehicles.


The BHX "Emirates" cars are from a pukka firm in Knowle i thought

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Author:  lancsdriver [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
No, PCS do BHX & NCL as said cars/drivers not licensed
Author:  lancsdriver [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PCO Operator sub contracting out of area.
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