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If someone is using the 24 hour contact exemption in England or Wales, is it an exemption from being licensed or an exemption from displaying plates?

I am fairly certain that there is something in the act referring to exemptions from licensing. It is in the same bit as weddings and funerals. Something about vehicles engaged on a contract exceeding 24 hours not requiring a license or not requiring plates.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3985/phv-licensing-guidance.pdf

the above link is for info only.

the problem prior to the removal of the contract exemption was that it was clear the section was being abused.

A local authority has the power to allow a person to remove decals and PH identification

We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Sussex wrote:

We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

grandad wrote:

Sussex wrote:

We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

No, unless there is an exemption granted by the council. The 24-hour contract rule was abolished.

Sussex wrote:

We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

grandad wrote:

I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

I think far too much is being read into the 24 hour thing.

Firstly it's not a 24 hour thing, it's a minimum of 24 hours thing, so in effect the vehicle can stay unplated/unsigned for life.

I would imagine a schools contract would fit that bill.

Author:	grandad [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:	24 hour contracts
If someone is using the 24 hour contact exemption in England or Wales, is it an exemption from being licensed or an exemption from displaying plates?

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
grandad wrote: If someone is using the 24 hour contact exemption in England or Wales, is it an exemption from being licensed or an exemption from displaying plates? whats the 24hr exemption?

Author:	grandad [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
I am fairly certain that there is something in the act referring to exemptions from licensing. It is in the same bit as weddings and funerals. Something about vehicles engaged on a contract exceeding 24 hours not requiring a license or not requiring plates.

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
grandad wrote: I am fairly certain that there is something in the act referring to exemptions from licensing. It is in the same bit as weddings and funerals. Something about vehicles engaged on a contract exceeding 24 hours not requiring a license or not requiring plates. parts of section 75 were removed a few years ago - I'm fairly sure there isn't a 24 hour exemption anymore in national legislation, although there may be localised rules regarding the display of plates.

Author:	grandad [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
I know that this is an olld version of section 75 and that paragraph (b) has been repealed, but what about paragraph (d)? 7 5 Saving for certain vehicles etc (I) Nothing in this Part of this Act shall — (a) apply to a vehicle used for bringing passengers or goods within a controlled district in pursuance of a contract for the hire of the vehicle made outside the district if the vehicle is not made available for hire within the district; (b) apply to a vehicle used only for carrying passengers for hire or reward under a contract for the hire of the vehicle for a period of not less than seven days; (c) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a funeral or a vehicle used wholly or mainly, by a person carrying on the business of a funeral director, for the purpose of funerals; [(cc) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a wedding;] (d) require the display of any plate, disc or notice in or on any private hire vehicle licensed by a council under this Part of this Act during such period that such vehicle is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward— (i) ... (ii) under a contract for the hire of the vehicle for a period of not less than 24 hours.

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Author:	captain cab [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... idance.pdf the above link is for info only. the problem prior to the removal of the contract exemption was that it was clear the section was being abused. A local authority has the power to allow a person to remove decals and PH identification

Author:	grandad [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
captain cab wrote: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3985/phv-licensing-guidance.pdf the above link is for info only. the problem prior to the removal of the contract exemption was that it was clear the section was being abused. A local authority has the power to allow a person to remove decals and PH identification That document does not mention displaying plates. Section (d) of section 75 states that a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours does not need plates to be displayed. Is this still part of section 75?

Author:	roythebus [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
It is generally accepted that permission will be required from the LA for the operation of a ph car without plates, such a for executive cars. My LO accepts that some cars round here remove their magnetic side plate when doing motorway run as they have a habit of falling off! I can't find the direct link to s 75 at the moment.

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:00 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act. The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Author:	grandad [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
Sussex wrote: We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act. The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate. Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

Author:	roythebus [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
grandad wrote: Sussex wrote: We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act. The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate. Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate? No, unless there is an exemption granted by the council. The 24-hour contract rule was abolished.

Author:	grandad [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
roythebus wrote: grandad wrote: Sussex wrote: We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act. The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate. Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate? No, unless there is an exemption granted by the council. The 24-hour contract rule was abolished. I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
grandad wrote: Sussex wrote: We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act. The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate. Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate? No, because the contract bit can't apply as it hasn't got a bit to apply to.

Author:	Sussex [ Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
grandad wrote: I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you? I think far too much is being read into the 24 hour thing. Firstly it's not a 24 hour thing, it's a minimum of 24 hours thing, so in effect the vehicle can stay unplated/unsigned for life. I would imagine a schools contract would fit that bill.

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Author:	grandad [ Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 24 hour contracts
Sussex wrote: grandad wrote: I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you? I think far too much is being read into the 24 hour thing. Firstly it's not a 24 hour thing, it's a minimum of 24 hours thing, so in effect the vehicle can stay unplated/unsigned for life. I would imagine a schools contract would fit that bill. Are you now saying that it is still in the act?