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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:47 pm 
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A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:40 am 
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Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?

One of the questions on our application form is "do you have the right to live and work in the UK." I would guess that most Councils would have a similar question on their forms. I would also guess that not once has anyone ticked the box to say that the don't have the right. I would further guess that no Council would check every applicants status and that they would instead, if a problem arose, just state "well we did ask the question."
If a person granted a license goes and gets themselves employed then it is the duty of the employer to make all reasonable checks to establish if the person has the right to work in the UK. If the checks aren't made and the person is found not to have the right to work in the UK, the employer could be facing a fine of up to £10,000. If the license holder is self employed, by that I mean not working under the direction of another, It would be different. i think it is a can of worms and will only be decided by the courts.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:52 am 
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Many thanks. Very useful.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:09 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?

One of the questions on our application form is "do you have the right to live and work in the UK." I would guess that most Councils would have a similar question on their forms. I would also guess that not once has anyone ticked the box to say that the don't have the right. I would further guess that no Council would check every applicants status and that they would instead, if a problem arose, just state "well we did ask the question."
If a person granted a license goes and gets themselves employed then it is the duty of the employer to make all reasonable checks to establish if the person has the right to work in the UK. If the checks aren't made and the person is found not to have the right to work in the UK, the employer could be facing a fine of up to £10,000. If the license holder is self employed, by that I mean not working under the direction of another, It would be different. i think it is a can of worms and will only be decided by the courts.


Theres thousands of em in London gleefully self employed with members of the LPHCA its a fekking # :D -obscene racket.

Of course the Licensing Authority should be responsible for confirming their status ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but this of course is Great Britain #-and free enterprise of this sort is of course typical of the Tory vermin scum that allow it #-o #-o

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:44 pm 
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Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?


a taxi firm cant check someones immigration status and rely on the licencing dept to authorise anyone as a driver...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:10 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?


a taxi firm cant check someones immigration status and rely on the licencing dept to authorise anyone as a driver...

An employer is required to check such things.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:51 pm 
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Of course, a common situation with HC is for a s/emp owner/driver to rent a radio on a circuit. Is the company that 'owns' the radio and provides what is effectively PH work then liable for the 'right to work' status?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:38 am 
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Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?

To be licensed down here you have to have a national insurance number.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:49 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Small Paul wrote:
A councillor recently asked the Hackney Carriage Officer, ‘If Fareham Bough Council gave a Hackney Carriage Licence to an illegal immigrant would Fareham Borough Council be in trouble? The Hackney Carriage Officer replied No. The Taxi Company that employs him/her would be in trouble.
Even if the Hackney Carriage Officer is correct very few Taxi Drivers are employed, so would you agree that FBC would be at fault for granting a licence?

To be licensed down here you have to have a national insurance number.

many people who are not entitled to work here have "obtained" national insurance numbers. Weren't there some cases of quite high profile people getting fined for employing people who had no right to work but had a national insurance number?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:10 pm 
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grandad wrote:
An employer is required to check such things.


90% of drivers arent employed though

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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
An employer is required to check such things.


90% of drivers arent employed though

You need to read the whole posts.

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
An employer is required to check such things.


90% of drivers arent employed though

You need to read the whole posts.


what would it say

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