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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:23 pm 
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I would ask you to bear with me on this.

I have a lot to post and it will make the most sense for everyone if I get all the documentation posted on here without input until it is done. This will mean multiple posts. Some is on my computer in "Word" and I will cut and paste, some will have to be scans. So some will look like a post, some like a photo copy.

I will post an "Open to Responses" when it is all done. If I have more and it is requested I will add it.

I may not get it all done tonight.

I will post from both sides of the argument.

I have been prosecuted and found guilty of breaching Byelaw 7(b):

7. The Driver of a Hackney Carriage shall, when plying for hire in any street and not actually hired:-
(b) If a stand, at the time of his arrival, is occupied by the full number of carriages authorised to occupy it, proceed to another stand;


I was awarded a 12 Month discharge, £15.00 Victim surcharge and £2,000.00 in costs.

You may think "Fair do's, he should have known better". I was told at Trade Meetings (and passed to others) and it was stated at the Local Association AGM by the licensing manager that it was OK, subject to not causing a hindrance, nuisance or danger. At the AGM it was recorded.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:37 pm 
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At the Plymouth Licensed Taxi Association AGM, held on 11 June 2013, a guest Speaker was Mr A Netherton.

Here is the transcript of the relevant part (his brief and the Q/A lasted over an hour in total).


Time on Recording
00.00 Vaclav Milacek (VM) ….try to be nice to the customers and everything. And his approach is there’s the ticket if you don’t like it take me – take the City Council to Court. So he’s wasted my money – public money from City Council for going to Court for the things you know minor little things, that I stop outside the rank for 2 minutes before the queue moves and he just wouldn’t listen.

00.23 Andrew Netherton (AN) Well, we always say to Officers apply a bit of common sense if it’s a 4 car rank and your number 5 and it looks like…(Interruption)…I wouldn’t expect my guys to say anything, but that’s, you know, the rank has to operate in a common sense (Word missed). If your number 8 on a 4 car rank and, it’s either a nuisance or it’s dangerous then you can expect something’s going to happen to you

00.44 VM …I’m fine with that, what I’m saying if I’m on 3 car rank, I’m 4 and I can see the first car is just pulling out, and by the time he wrote the ticket I was number 1.

00.56 Many (Laughing)

00.59 Stephen Smale (SS) Where’s that rank, haven’t got one that works (lost in noise).

01.01 VM Outside, outside the Buffet City

01.04 AN Was that one of my guys or was that a Police Officer? (Noise) ..What I’d say is I wouldn’t, if what your telling me is correct, and I don’t know if it is or it isn’t, um, if what your saying is how it was then I wouldn’t have expected my guys to do it and they have been told that obviously a rank has to, you know, you have to be a bit of common sense, the rank has to flow.

01.25 Roy Hamilton (RH) Mr Netherton did ask whether it was um, er, the Council or the Police.

01.30 VM It was Licensing Officers....

01.33 AN So what I would say is, you know, you’ve got access to my details through these guys here. If you’ve got a particular problem with how we’ve dealt with something you can phone me up, or drop me an email, or drop me a letter…

01.44 Excerpt ends

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:54 pm 
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Now I had not heard the above this at the AGM as you will see in my statement a little later. As Vice-Chair I can only guess that I was out of the room looking after the next Guest Speaker. I had heard similar at previous Trade meetings as an attendee, but these are not recorded. The minutes of Trade Meetings will also appear further down, but minutes do not cover everything said, they are an overview, not a transcript.

On 27 November 2013 I was approached by a Licensing Officer. I record all encounters with LO's and Police as their memories and mine always seem to differ.

So, the transcript from that encounter:

00.00 C Wildman (CW) It’s nothing personal I record all, all meetings like this with the Police and with your selves.
00.07 S Forshaw (SF) It’s not a meeting
00.08 CW Oh alright
00.09 SF Is it, it’s not a meeting
00.09 CW Okay
Pause in conversation
00.20 SF You know I’ve got treat you the same as everyone else and I’ve got to keep my consistency
00.25 CW Yeah yeah
Pause in conversation
00.32 CW Councils on Whimple Street don’t come into the Whimple Street. I like to be consistent too. (CB Radio transmission going out.)
00.40 SF I don’t blame you.
Pause in conversation (Officer left me to tell Cab behind to stay where he was but out of range of Dictaphone).
01.35 CW Why did you tell him to wait – you should either bring more Officers so you can do both…
01.40 SF We’ve got other Officers
01.41 CW Well he’s not here he’s not doing him so he should be free to move
01.44 SF No he’s not, just told him just wait I’m gonna issue him with a ticket that’s what…
01.48 CW Yeah I realise why but he should be allowed to move if you can’t do him right now – my badge is here…
01.54 SF What’s your…
01.54 CW H919
01.56 SF Can I just see it - appreciate you say it I just need to…
01.59 CW ‘sall right, it’s only my pen
02.01 SF What is it
02.02 CW H919
02.04 SF 919, thank you
Pause in conversation
02.09 SF What’s your address Chris
02.10 CW (Redacted)
02.11 SF Yep
02.12 CW (Redacted) Avenue
02.13 SF (Redacted - address repeated)
02.13 CW Um Hm
02.18 Car Horn
02.20 SF That’s what PL…
02.22 CW (Shouting) Go away – Go away
02.25 SF PL
02.26 CW Papa Lima Five
02.27 SF Yeah
02.28 CW One (Redacted)
02.32 SF Okay
02.36 CW I could just tell you Golf Victor Five four
02.38 SF I know you could but
02.38 CW Golf Victor Five Four Whiskey Kilo Echo
03.05 SF Right Chris this is what I’m gonna explain to you is very briefly, we observed you parked up over there, we were just over there in our van…
03.15 CW Yeah
03.15 SF I observed you at 17.57 um, thinking actually you was gonna you was gonna move off. Obviously what you did is you moved from there round to here
03.25 CW Yeah
03.25 SF I observed you as number 4 on the rank
03.27 CW Okay
03.27 SF …gave you thirty forty seconds whatever the case may be ‘til I came over um, and at the time I come over you were number 4 on the rank, that that’s how I saw it okay
03.37 CW Yeah okay
03.38 SF I’m just gonna tell you you don’t have to say anything it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in Court and anything you do say may be given in evidence. Okay now from my point of view I don’t know what your situation is in relation to these contravention notices so until I get back we don’t know how we’re gonna deal with it all right
03.55 CW I understand
03.57 SF As it stands at the moment I’m not suggesting that your gonna go to Court okay, in any way but I’m gonna have to back and ‘til I actually view what we’ve got on the system
04.05 CW Ah yeah
04.05 SF That will depend on how I choose to deal with it. Okay obviously the stands for three you know ….
04.19 CW Yeah
04.19 SF …that as far as I’m concerned you were fourth whilst you were over there you were fifth you moved up and took the place of the other 1 okay
Pause in conversation
04.28 SF Twenty-seventh innit
Pause in conversation
04.35 SF Did you understand the caution I read out to you
04.37 CW I did yeah
04.38 SF Anything you want to say to me at all.
04.39 CW No
04.40 SF Okay Chris do you wish to to sign the contravention notice or not
04.43 CW Happy to sign it
04.45 SF Okay
04.46 CW Got a pen
04.46 CW Sign for me there please
04.52 SF Alright thanks very much just bear with me a minute - thank you
05.03 CW Thank you
05.04 Name Redacted (JB) (on Radio) One over here out the box..
05.23 CW Council still on Whimple Street 2 of us have got tickets
05.30 JB Room on here for 1 at the moment out of the box
05.33 CW Yeah ones on his way
05.38 JB Have you got another ticket have you
05.41 CW I have yeah
05.51 Recording Ended

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:17 pm 
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On 5 December2013 I was invited to a PACE Interview. I asked if I could record prior to entering the room. Having accompanied others to PACE, I know and understand the tricks LO's and Police use to get the right mood to get answers. This was denied so I insisted on no conversation until the machine was started.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:22 pm 
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I can't put the scans up yet, I am working on that. They will follow.

Time went by, then in April 2014 I was notified that I would be prosecuted.

I decided, with some able help from the PLTA, to defend myself.

I told other Drivers that I was to be prosecuted. One said, "Your joking, he (Mr Netherton) said it's OK at the meeting". I was confused - this driver does not attend the Trade Meetings. He said at the AGM and I knew I had recorded that, had I kept the recording. You can see from the transcript that I had.

I supplied the salient part of recording to Mr Netherton.

I produced my (First) statement......

I am the person named above. I have been a Taxi Driver in the City of Plymouth since May 2002. I am also the Secretary of Region 8 of the National Taxi Association (NTA) and Vice-Chairman of Plymouth Licenced Taxi Association (PLTA).

I stand accused that on 27 November 2013 I was in breach of 7(b) of the Byelaws of Plymouth City Council (PCC) in that I was the 4th Taxi on the Rank in Whimple Street Plymouth. This was indeed the case, however I had been led to believe by Mr Andrew Netherton of PCC that this was acceptable behaviour and had passed this information to Colleagues in the Taxi Trade. I had been told in Trade and Council meetings which included other than myself and Mr Netherton, Mr David Hughes PCC, Mr Roy Hamilton PLTA and Mr John Beaumont PLTA that no action would be taken by PCC for breaches of 7(b) involving 1 or 2 Taxis as long as the Public were not obstructed with a view to “Moving Ranks” not being impeded. I rely on those present to confirm that un-minuted statements were made, prior and subsequent to 27 November 2013. I did not obstruct the public on 27 November 2013.

I am in the habit of recording meetings as in my duties as Secretary of Region 8 NTA I find it an invaluable aid to constructing minutes. Mr Netherton has previously objected to my recording Trade Meetings, the one recording I made of a Trade meting I erased in his presence and later sent him an apology by email which included an undertaking not to record at future meetings. I therefore have no recording of Trade Meetings at all.

After I was informed that I was to be “Summonsed to Appear” at the Magistrates Court, I told Colleagues. One Driver in Particular, Name Withheld, was incredulous. He said words to the effect that Mr Netherton had said at the meeting that the actions of which I am accused were “OK”. I was at first confused as Name Withheld had never attended a Trade Meeting but he pointed out that the meeting to which he referred was the Annual General Meeting of the PLTA. This AGM was held on 11 June 2013. I had recorded the meeting in question with the permission of the Chairman, John Beaumont. I have always asked permission to make recordings since the problem at the Trade Meeting. I found that I had still got the recording, on the Dictaphone that I had used and that I had copied it to my PLTA and Personal Computer. I have been careful not to let Name Withheld hear the recording so that if the Court wishes, they can ask him for his memory of it. Mr Name Withheld who also attended has confirmed to me that he too has a clear memory of the statement made. Of the other attendees, some have a memory of the statement, some a limited memory, some do not recall it at all. I will request that Name Withheld and Name Withheld make a statement to support this. I believe approximately 20 members were in attendance.
I freely admit that prior to my reviewing the recording I was not aware that it was actually stated at the AGM. It is possible that I had left the room at the relevant time to check that the subsequent guest speaker was comfortable, this being a duty for me in my capacity as Vice-Chairman. The recording does clarify the stance taken by Mr Netherton on behalf of the PCC. Permission for what I did was granted, enforcement action would not follow, Licensing Officers had been told.

During 2013, as a result of the punitive action being taken by the Authorities, both Police and PCC, I took it on myself to produce a leaflet which I distributed to Taxi Drivers and it was later agreed to by the PLTA. During my issuing of the hand out, two Officers of Devon and Cornwall Police requested that I desist. I insisted that I continue and did so. I freely admit that in attempt to encourage Drivers to read it, it was deliberately inflammatory. It did achieve one thing, the PLTA had repeatedly asked for a meeting with Senior Police Officers to no avail. The Police now requested a meeting with the PLTA. Unfortunately the meeting involved more of being talked at by the Police rather than discussing with the Trade.

I attach as evidence, marked “CRW1” a copy of the hand-out.

It is possible that this leaflet and its distribution has made me a target of the Authorities, both Police and PCC. I do point out however, that I actively discouraged, within the document itself, Taxi Drivers Over-Ranking, using Ranks out of Hours and failing to wear the required Drivers Badge.

The Police do not seem to recognise the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 Section 66. Despite the 2006 Fraud Act, Police Officers do all they can to turn Arrestable Offences into Civil Matters to the point where getting any Police assistance at all is remarkable. I am currently assisting a PLTA member who was the victim of “Bilking”. Devon and Cornwall Police refused to accept that a crime had been committed at all. We were directed to the National Fraud Office (NFO). The NFO accepted that it was a crime, gave it a crime number and passed it back to the Local Police Force. The Local Police now say they can’t trace the information. Why this is the case, I do not know. If I was a cynic I would suggest that the Police massage crime figures to ensure good statistics.

The PLTA have twice written to the Chief Constable who has yet to arrange a meeting. The Association has also asked the Police Crime Commissioner to have a meeting, also to no avail.

In April 2013 I did break byelaw 7(b) in that I was over-ranking on Whimple Street. I did not do so again until I was told that it was acceptable. Since 27 November 2013 I have not done so again.
My Colleague and Chairman of the PLTA, Mr John Beaumont was told by 2 PCC Licensing Officers on 30th April 2014 that a Zero Tolerance Policy was in effect from then, they asked him to disseminate that information and I have assisted in this dissemination. If they needed to do that, is it not correct that prior to that, a situation of at least limited toleration must have existed?

On the evening of 27th November 2013 I entered Whimple Street. I presume (I say presume because I have no clear memory and it would only be my standard practice) that I indicated to the first Taxi on that Rank that a space was available on the Old Town Street Rank either because I had seen it to be the case or I was informed by Radio. It is normal strategy amongst Taxi Drivers to use Whimple Street as a “Feeder Rank” for the busier Old Town Street Rank. I also presume that I may have been aware by Radio that a further space or spaces was imminently to become available because a Cab or Cabs had departed Old Town Street with passengers. I therefore positioned myself to cause no obstruction and readied myself to join the back of the Rank in short order. I am a smoker and usually vacate my Cab and smoke at every single opportunity, I did not do so and I am therefore convinced that a move was imminent. I moved over to the rear of the Rank, Mr Forshaw says in his statement within 3 minutes, I think it could actually be less. The second Taxi to leave the Rank may have done so because I informed the Driver by flashing my headlights, which is why I would have aimed my Cab at his, that another space was available. I then moved onto the rear of the Rank.

In line with my hand out, when approached by the Licensing Officer I told him that I would be recording our meeting. He made no objection. On the recording that I made which was obviously contemporaneous, he says that he waited 30 or 40 seconds before he approached me. In his statement this is now shown as 4 minutes. He also stated that he must treat all the same. (In my capacity on the Committee of the PLTA I have more interaction with Licensing Officers than the majority of Taxi Drivers and therefore know Mr Forshaw.) I have wondered since the incident why the 2 Taxis in front of me had not been dealt with by these 2 Officers. It has been stated that others previously had been dealt with and had been sent off the Rank. I cannot do other than consider that when I entered Whimple Street I was in fact targeted even if unconsciously by the Officers and so my 2 predecessors (those in excess of 3) on the Rank had to be ignored until I was I a position to be given a ticket.

By the time I was issued with the ticket, two more Taxis had left the Rank, I was therefore now second and as I moved to this position I was informed that yet another space was now available on Old Town Street (this too is on the recording that I made). It can be clearly demonstrated that the Rank was moving swiftly which I consider was what Mr Netherton had intimated at Trade Meetings and again at the PLTA AGM.

In the PACE interview, at page 8, approximately 66% through the long oration by Mr Forshaw, he says that I am seen as someone who keeps the trade on their toes, keeps them informed of enforcement action and I move people up on the Ranks. I can only concur.

Early in my Taxi Career I was instrumental in devising ways to make the over-ranking that was happening on Derrys Cross Roundabout disappear by suggesting the positioning of Taxi Ranks in such a way as to allow a line of sight from Rank to Rank to obviate the problem. Along with my PLTA Committee colleagues I have tried to achieve a similar result for Old Town Street and Whimple Street in conjunction with PCC, unfortunately to no avail so far. I continue to give this ongoing problem my full attention. Mr Forshaw, I am aware, is also spending a lot of time and effort to produce a solution to this question and I and the Trade generally hope that between us we can find an answer.

Old Town Street and consequently Whimple Street as a feeder Rank is the busiest place for Taxi Drivers to Ply for Hire. In his statement Mr Forshaw suggests the closest Ranks to Whimple Street are Exeter Street and Bretonside. The closest is Old Town Street (but as he is aware of the feeder status of Whimple Street and that no space could be available at the rear of that Rank), the next closest (as the Crow flies) is Finewell Street, though by road I accept that it is in fact further distant.

One of the biggest problems for Taxi Drivers is the parking on Ranks of vehicles other than Taxis. Despite having the power in the Plymouth City Council Act 1975 to take action against drivers of these vehicles, PCC do not do so. There is no Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) in place so the Parking department take no action. The Police say, incorrectly, that Parking is not in their jurisdiction. Parking on a Taxi Rank is a criminal offence PCC Act S22 (3).

During weekdays the Rank in Finewell Street is inaccessible as a Prison Van is usually occupying the space set aside as a Taxi Rank. In Old Town Street at all hours, the Rank is illegally occupied by “Just” Ladies and Gentlemen. These People are “Just going to the Bank/Post Office/Nandos/Hole in the Wall”. This includes Police Officers who Park their Police Cars and adjourn to the emergency of getting cash from the ATM’s with which Old Town Street abounds. Various delivery vehicles on various Ranks around the City also preclude the use by Taxis, yet if a Taxi stops on a “Deliveries Only” space, a Parking Ticket is risked and often received. Taxi Drivers, legitimately on Ranks, including myself, have been asked by Police to vacate to give delivery vehicles a place to unload. Some Drivers acquiesce, I do not and will not.

The PLTA can document that a TRO for Taxi Ranks was first requested in 2005. Now, 9 years later, the TRO has been advertised in line with the rules for instituting a TRO, it is almost in place at last.

PCC have a duty, having taken fees for Hackney Carriage Driving Licences and Hackney Carriage Vehicle Licences, to ensure that the Ranks are available for use. The PCC could, but do not, give Licensing Officers, the powers to issue parking tickets to Rank transgressors, either with the Plymouth Act previously quoted or with various Road Traffic Acts, with or without TRO’s. The PLTA, on behalf of a member paid for and received a Legal Opinion. I attach this as evidence marked “CRW2”.

On receipt of my notice of intended summons I looked at the Internet with a view to see what was occupying Taxi Ranks. As the satellite and ground pictures do not show a time I limited myself to 24 hour operational Ranks. In the city centre only I found that 10 examples of vehicles other than Taxis were using the Ranks, I could not have contrived these pictures. I have had an in Car camera, unfortunately recently stolen when my Taxi was broken into, I have continued to add pictures as and when I could, sometimes the pictures do not produce a good still image, yet my portfolio increases in size nearly every day. I attach this as evidence marked “CRW3”.

I submit that my actions on 27 November 2013 were completely in line with the advice that I had received in good faith from Mr Netherton and therefore I should not be considered as guilty of any offence.

I also attach as evidence a CD containing, the sound file contemporaneous with the alleged offence, the sound file of Mr Netherton speaking at the PLTA AGM.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:39 pm 
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I also took statements from four Taxi Drivers....

I am the above named person.
I attended the AGM of Plymouth Licenced Taxi Association that took place in June 2013.
During the course of this meeting I asked for the meeting to be recorded to which Mr Netherton, of Plymouth City Council, gave his consent.
I then proceeded to ask Mr Netherton about the ranking issues particularly at the Whimple Street rank.
Mr Netherton replied that he would expect his licencing officers to use common sense regarding Whimple Street rank as it was more of a feeder rank to Old Town Street rank and that being the fourth or fifth taxi on Whimple Street would not be so much of an issue.
When I discovered that the defendant, Mr Wildman, was being prosecuted for the offence of over ranking on Whimple Street rank I reminded him that this recording existed.
I have never heard the recording of the AGM meeting and this is my own recollection of events.


I am the person named above and the Chairman of the Plymouth Licensed Taxi Association (PLTA).
I gave Mr Wildman permission to record our Annual General Meeting which was held in Stonehouse Community Centre on the 11th June, 2013.
Mr Netherton stated then, and at several Trade Meetings, that four or five Taxis on Whimple Street is not a problem but ranking around the corner causing a nuisance or obstruction is. This was stated both before and after Mr Wildman's alleged offence. I do believe as a result of this he should not be facing prosecution.
In the early evening I was told by Licensing Officers Mr.(Name withheld) and Mr Forshaw that a zero tolerance policy on over ranking was now in force and they asked me to pass this information to the trade as some drivers are aware and some are not.
The P.L.T.A are constantly involved with Licensing and trying to resolve the issues as to the lack of Taxi Rank spaces.


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