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Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Licensing officer.
In June of this year, I was pulled over at Manchester airport by a PCSO and directed towards a Manchester City council licensing officer. I refused to speak to him as he has no jurisdiction over me. I spoke to a police sergeant and complied with all his requests. The licensing officer wrote to me on two separate occasions and I replied both times in great detail. I spoke to him today and he is refusing to discuss anything that happened. Advice please.
Author:  Nidge2 [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
billybobs wrote:
In June of this year, I was pulled over at Manchester airport by a PCSO and directed towards a Manchester City council licensing officer. I refused to speak to him as he has no jurisdiction over me. I spoke to a police sergeant and complied with all his requests. The licensing officer wrote to me on two separate occasions and I repiled both times in great detail. I spoke to him today and he is refusing to discuss anything that happened. Advice please.



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Author:  Sussex [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
Advice on what?

If he doesn't want to talk to you maybe he has worked out he has no jurisdiction over you.
Author:  grandad [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
Personally I would have talked to him at the time. I see no point in antagonising these people. I would have listened to what he had to say but i would politely refuse to allow him to inspect my vehicle and explain why.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
Wouldnt airport land be private property?
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
grandad wrote:
Personally I would have talked to him at the time. I see no point in antagonising these people. I would have listened to what he had to say but i would politely refuse to allow him to inspect my vehicle and explain why.

That is exactly what I did do. He just kept spouting the same lies. And why should I be bothered by someone who knows that they are (pardon the pun) winging it?
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
Sussex wrote:
Advice on what?

If he doesn't want to talk to you maybe he has worked out he has no jurisdiction over you.

Advice on my next move.
Author:  grandad [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
billybobs wrote:
grandad wrote:
Personally I would have talked to him at the time. I see no point in antagonising these people. I would have listened to what he had to say but i would politely refuse to allow him to inspect my vehicle and explain why.

That is exactly what I did do. He just kept spouting the same lies.

Your original post states that you refused to speak to him because he had no jurisdiction over you. :?
Author:  grandad [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
billybobs wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Advice on what?

If he doesn't want to talk to you maybe he has worked out he has no jurisdiction over you.

Advice on my next move.

How can you be gien advice when you have given no real details.
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
grandad wrote:
Personally I would have talked to him at the time. I see no point in antagonising these people. I would have listened to what he had to say but i would politely refuse to allow him to inspect my vehicle and explain why.

That is exactly what I did do. He just kept spouting the same lies.

Your original post states that you refused to speak to him because he had no jurisdiction over you. :?

Ok. I refused to speak to him in his official capacity. Happy now?
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Advice on what?

If he doesn't want to talk to you maybe he has worked out he has no jurisdiction over you.

Advice on my next move.

How can you be gien advice when you have given no real details.

What details do you want?
Author:  grandad [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
billybobs wrote:
Ok. I refused to speak to him in his official capacity. Happy now?

Still no help. What did he say and what did you say to warrent the exchange of letters? what was the content of these letters? What has been said that makes you think you need a next move?
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Ok. I refused to speak to him in his official capacity. Happy now?

Still no help. What did he say and what did you say to warrent the exchange of letters? what was the content of these letters? What has been said that makes you think you need a next move?

Ok. I told him that I knew he had no jurisdiction over me,and as such I was under no obligation to tell him anything and he had no right to inspect either myself or my vehicle. He wrote to me a few days later claiming obstruction. I replied saying that it is impossible to obstruct someone that has nothing to do with you. He replied threatening me with court action and saying that I had to attend an interview in Manchester. I replied declining his kind offer and pointing out that the threat was an abuse of power and this whole episode is "ultra vires" and therefore illegal. I also asked where he had got my details from as this was a breach of the data protection act. The second letter I sent ran to four pages so I won't bore you with all the detail.
Author:  billybobs [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
Sussex wrote:
Advice on what?

If he doesn't want to talk to you maybe he has worked out he has no jurisdiction over you.

Perhaps he has. His own council rules say that he has to keep me informed. Why should we bow down to these megalomaniacs?
Author:  grandad [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Licensing officer.
billybobs wrote:
grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Ok. I refused to speak to him in his official capacity. Happy now?

Still no help. What did he say and what did you say to warrent the exchange of letters? what was the content of these letters? What has been said that makes you think you need a next move?

Ok. I told him that I knew he had no jurisdiction over me,and as such I was under no obligation to tell him anything and he had no right to inspect either myself or my vehicle. He wrote to me a few days later claiming obstruction. I replied saying that it is impossible to obstruct someone that has nothing to do with you. He replied threatening me with court action and saying that I had to attend an interview in Manchester. I replied declining his kind offer and pointing out that the threat was an abuse of power and this whole episode is "ultra vires" and therefore illegal. I also asked where he had got my details from as this was a breach of the data protection act. The second letter I sent ran to four pages so I won't bore you with all the detail.

As I see it then at the moment you don't have a next move. It is his move next. This can be one of 3 possible things. 1, he leaves it at that. 2, he passes his concerns to your LO who may or may not want to do anything. 3, he takes you to court. If it is the latter then you may need to seek the advice of a taxi licensing solicitor, someone who knows about the jurisdiction issues and take it from there. One thing I would not do if it goes that way is represent myself.
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