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Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Hypothetically speaking...
Would you be happy if you discovered your licensing dept granted a plate or badge on deferred terms (pay later) as the applicant was a "bit short" this month...?

would it be legal?
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
wannabeeahack wrote:
Would you be happy if you discovered your licensing dept granted a plate or badge on deferred terms (pay later) as the applicant was a "bit short" this month...?

would it be legal?

I think it would be legal, as the license has been granted to a fit and proper person (or vehicle).

I also say well done to the LO for using their common sense in issuing the license to someone currently down on their luck financially.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?
Author:  grandad [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
wannabeeahack wrote:
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?

Where does it say that licensing fees are being used to subsidise this licensee?
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?

Where does it say that licensing fees are being used to subsidise this licensee?


well a free plate must have costs.............labour/office/paper/plate..

if not WTF do i pay for?

no, i pay, you pay, we all pay
Author:  StuartW [ Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?

Where does it say that licensing fees are being used to subsidise this licensee?


well a free plate must have costs.............labour/office/paper/plate..

if not WTF do i pay for?

no, i pay, you pay, we all pay


But it's not a free plate if payment is merely deferred?

More like a loan, effectively.

Suspect someone's knuckles might get rapped if a complaint was made, but doubt it would come to much, and if I was the complainant I'd worry about it coming back to bite me on the bum.

Certainly something worth recalling in future if a bit of minor rule-bending is required, though 8-[
Author:  grandad [ Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?

Where does it say that licensing fees are being used to subsidise this licensee?


well a free plate must have costs.............labour/office/paper/plate..

if not WTF do i pay for?

no, i pay, you pay, we all pay

It would most likely come from something like a community fund that the Council has and it will be repaid.
Author:  heathcote [ Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
I take the opposite view

Licensing arent supposed to make a profit, so my fees are being used to subsidise a 3rd party?

If they cannot afford 1 fee can they maintain a vehicle?

I had a heart attack last year and lost £2000 in 4 weeks being off work but i didnt seek a handout

If they get 1 legup what happens next time?

Where does it say that licensing fees are being used to subsidise this licensee?


well a free plate must have costs.............labour/office/paper/plate..

if not WTF do i pay for?

no, i pay, you pay, we all pay

It would most likely come from something like a community fund that the Council has and it will be repaid.



A Council must charge the prescribed fee for a hackney carriage or its driver license but can set aside the fee for a private hire vehicle or its driver according to the Act.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
so a LA subsidising your competition is ok?

Im not sure many would agree

I hope I can get the same if I need it now a precedence has been set
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
heathcote wrote:
A Council must charge the prescribed fee for a hackney carriage or its driver license but can set aside the fee for a private hire vehicle or its driver according to the Act.


which act and where?
Author:  edders23 [ Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
As things are going I think all councils will have to be flexible with payments
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
edders23 wrote:
As things are going I think all councils will have to be flexible with payments

I've been in contact directly with the financial folks at our council and I'm 100% they are open to help the trade in as many ways as they can.

I truly believe that central government is open to finance things to keep folks in work, and off the dole.
Author:  StuartW [ Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
Re the illegal state aid thing under EU law, just thinking that Wanna's council's licence payment deferral might have technically fallen foul of that particular provision.

Of course, chances of it ever ending up in the European courts were zero, and certainly won't be happening now.

And, as Edders and Sussex saying, likely to be a lot of this kind of thing in future.
Author:  grandad [ Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
Our Council have given us permission to divert the phone to a driver to take bookings if we have to shut the office.
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hypothetically speaking...
grandad wrote:
Our Council have given us permission to divert the phone to a driver to take bookings if we have to shut the office.

I'm hoping many other councils offer a high degree of flexibility, as no-one with any brains/common sense is going to object to rules being bended in an attempt to keep the trade afloat.
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