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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:07 pm 
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StuartW wrote:
Incidentally, was disappointed that this thread ground to halt earlier before someone got round to arguing that the 1847 Act could be construed as meaning that the horses on Blackpool promenade are 'employees' or 'workers' :D



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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:10 pm 
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I get where wanna is coming from and would argue that really the definition of self employed should be tightened up and the rest pushed onto something similar to IR35 otherwise the government could find that nearly every uk business will be looking at switching to a form of self employed status for their workers as a way of saving on employment costs

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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:25 pm 
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We have to bear in mind most in the trade have no option other than go down the self-employed route. Else there is no route in.

The issue we have is the pseudo self-employed, and ensuing those people (which includes many either on TDO or those who read TDO), get the benefits the law says they should.

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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:07 pm 
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Drivers/jockeys are employees, not self employed, once you invest in a car/insurance/plates you become a business/self employed

this "fake self employment" is just a dodge to avoid tax and stamp

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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 6:11 pm 
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Read two articles today in PHTM in relation to the Supreme Court judgement and the effect it may or may not have on sections of the trade.

The first one was from a board member of the NPHA.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader

The author states right at the beginning that this ruling will not effect drivers working on traditional operators, and then doesn't give any reasons as to why he believes that. :-k

The second article was from a rep of the GMB.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader

In that article the author, writing in a personal capacity, states that he believes the judgement will not effect most traditional taxi firms unless they follow the Uber model. In all fairness he at least gives reasons as to why he believes that.

Both of them are wrong. :shock:

They are both assuming that because Uber take the fare, process the fare, and then pay drivers less a commission, that in itself is why the court deemed Uber drivers to be 'workers'. No where in the judgement does it say anything like that.

The way drivers were remunerated wasn't an issue, control of the driver and control of the way the driver worked were the issues.

Interesting that in this month's PHTM a contributor does a balanced overview of the current situation, which IMO is a million miles away from the contributions of the two above.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader

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 Post subject: Re: Self employed or not
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 7:40 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Read two articles today in PHTM in relation to the Supreme Court judgement and the effect it may or may not have on sections of the trade.

The first one was from a board member of the NPHA.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader

The author states right at the beginning that this ruling will not effect drivers working on traditional operators, and then doesn't give any reasons as to why he believes that. :-k

The second article was from a rep of the GMB.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader

In that article the author, writing in a personal capacity, states that he believes the judgement will not effect most traditional taxi firms unless they follow the Uber model. In all fairness he at least gives reasons as to why he believes that.

Both of them are wrong. :shock:

They are both assuming that because Uber take the fare, process the fare, and then pay drivers less a commission, that in itself is why the court deemed Uber drivers to be 'workers'. No where in the judgement does it say anything like that.

The way drivers were remunerated wasn't an issue, control of the driver and control of the way the driver worked were the issues.

Interesting that in this month's PHTM a contributor does a balanced overview of the current situation, which IMO is a million miles away from the contributions of the two above.

https://content.yudu.com/web/43sy4/0A43 ... gin=reader


Do not agree with his view that governments are solely to blame, operators have always tried to find ways of circumnavigating the Act whether licensing or employment to enable the ripping off of drivers. Council enforcement officers are more to blame due to lack of enforcement and turning a blind eye to the abuses that go on.


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