Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:18 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 47 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 49475
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
What is to stop a person from registering for tax purposes and only declaring a very small income just as many of them do now?

Well nothing, but the question one must ask is why haven't they already?

Clearly it's to not pay any tax, so even a little bit is more than nothing.

However once an audit trail is established the taxman can follow it, and that will include those that work undercover for an owner who doesn't declare any income from that person. So the taxman gets double money.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 49475
Location: 1066 Country
heathcote wrote:
There is a simple solution to this, every licensing authority must inform HMRC of the details of any person it grants a license to, which would stop the need to have to apply for this unique code number when the majority of the trade are already tax compliant.

HMRC want to put the onus on licensees, and this way is a no brainer for them.
heathcote wrote:
If this had been adopted every license holder would be known to the HMRC from day one.

I agree, but within three years we will be there.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:13 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Posts: 2322
It will not stop those who flit in and out of this trade as they will hand the licence back and at a later date apply for a new one, which means they will never fall into the renewal syndrome.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 23260
Location: A City near Birmingham
heathcote wrote:
It will not stop those who flit in and out of this trade as they will hand the licence back and at a later date apply for a new one, which means they will never fall into the renewal syndrome.


should be checked every time, however DBS should be checked every 6 months but 3 years here seems the norm

and just because someone HAS a badge doesnt mean they are working

and under £6000/year employers need not register them for PAYE

Quote:
Check you need to pay someone through PAYE. You usually have to pay your employees through PAYE if they earn £120 or more a week (£520 a month or £6,240 a year). You do not need to pay self-employed workers through PAYE


https://www.gov.uk/new-employee/check-s ... %20PAYE%20.

_________________
Freedom is never free


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 19037
wannabeeahack wrote:
heathcote wrote:
It will not stop those who flit in and out of this trade as they will hand the licence back and at a later date apply for a new one, which means they will never fall into the renewal syndrome.


should be checked every time, however DBS should be checked every 6 months but 3 years here seems the norm

and just because someone HAS a badge doesnt mean they are working

and under £6000/year employers need not register them for PAYE

Quote:
Check you need to pay someone through PAYE. You usually have to pay your employees through PAYE if they earn £120 or more a week (£520 a month or £6,240 a year). You do not need to pay self-employed workers through PAYE


https://www.gov.uk/new-employee/check-s ... %20PAYE%20.

I think you still have to record their earnings and also report their earnings to HMRC.

_________________
Grandad,
To support my charity text MAYORWALK to 70085 to donate £5


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 49475
Location: 1066 Country
Quote:
should be checked every time, however DBS should be checked every 6 months but 3 years here seems the norm

Think it's now best practice to DBS every 6 months.

Most councils have now adopted that timescale.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 49475
Location: 1066 Country
Quote:
and just because someone HAS a badge doesnt mean they are working

Nothing stopping anyone returning a nil tax return, suspect many tens of thousands will be doing it this year.

The new tax checks will merely check that you have kept your tax returns up to date, nothing to do with the amounts you earn/declare.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 23260
Location: A City near Birmingham
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
heathcote wrote:
It will not stop those who flit in and out of this trade as they will hand the licence back and at a later date apply for a new one, which means they will never fall into the renewal syndrome.


should be checked every time, however DBS should be checked every 6 months but 3 years here seems the norm

and just because someone HAS a badge doesnt mean they are working

and under £6000/year employers need not register them for PAYE

Quote:
Check you need to pay someone through PAYE. You usually have to pay your employees through PAYE if they earn £120 or more a week (£520 a month or £6,240 a year). You do not need to pay self-employed workers through PAYE


https://www.gov.uk/new-employee/check-s ... %20PAYE%20.

I think you still have to record their earnings and also report their earnings to HMRC.


if you didnt youd be liable for tax on it....lol

_________________
Freedom is never free


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 49475
Location: 1066 Country
According to this article Councils are very concerned that many people don't know about the new changes.

https://www.localgov.co.uk/Councils-con ... ecks/53508

Personally I doubt they are concerned, but I do agree with the number of drivers who are aware of the changes to be minimal at most.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 9466
HMRC has issued at least four new notices on 10 January. Two are aimed at licensing authorities, while two are aimed at the trade (and scrap metal dealers - some might say there's not a lot of difference between the two, at the extremes at least :lol: ).

But don't think there's anything particularly new in them, so here's just the links in the two posts below, and titles and subtitles to each notice.

But I hadn't really been thinking too much about the start dates, and thus hadn't really been aware that all this start in less than three months :-o

(But only in England - rest of UK not coming into line for a year or two, which was maybe why I wasn't paying enough attention 8-[ )


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 9466
These are aimed at licensing authorities. The first is about ensuring new applicants are aware of their tax responsibilities, while the second is about the compliance checks for renewals:


Confirm an applicant's tax responsibilities for taxi, private hire or scrap metal licence applications

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirm-an- ... plications

Licensing authorities must get an applicant's confirmation that they're aware of their tax responsibilities on first-time licence applications for taxi, private hire and scrap metal licences.


Confirm a tax check for taxi, private hire or scrap metal licence applications

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirm-a-t ... plications

Licensing authorities must confirm a tax check has been completed by applicants renewing taxi, private hire and scrap metal licences, or applying for a licence already held with another authority.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 9466
These are aimed at the trade. The first is about new applicants being aware of their responsibility to pay tax, while the second is about renewal applicants providing the tax compliance information:


Confirm your tax responsibilities when applying for a taxi, private hire or scrap metal licence

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirm-you ... al-licence

You must confirm you are aware of your tax responsibilities when you apply for a taxi driver, private hire driver, private hire vehicle operator or scrap metal dealer licence for the first time.


Complete a tax check for a taxi, private hire or scrap metal licence

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/complete-a- ... al-licence

You must complete a tax check to renew a taxi, private hire or scrap metal licence, or to apply for the same type of licence with a different licensing authority.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 9466
HMRC wrote:
You will be able to complete a tax check from 7 March 2022.

:-o

It looks a bit like these DVLA checks you do for renewing badges and your insurance.

So you can do it at any time, whether or not you're renewing a badge, but if it's not close enough to when you actually renew then you'll have to do a new one. The 'tax check codes' expire after 120 days.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 9466
Sussex wrote:
https://www.localgov.co.uk/Councils-concerned-taxis-not-aware-of-upcoming-tax-checks/53508

Forgot to read that, but even the first couple of paragraphs look a bid dodgy:

LocalGov wrote:
Due to come into force in April 2022, conditionality will require all self-employed taxi and PHV drivers to pass a ‘tax check’ to renew their operational licence.

But not just self-employed drivers. Those under PAYE will have to complete the tax check as well [-(

LocalGov wrote:
A new study from untied, a personal tax app, has found that over eight in 10 local authorities believe that operators as well as drivers should be preparing in advance of the forthcoming changes.

No $hit, Sherlock :-o

But, maybe more worrying, what did the other 20% of local authorities think :-s


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 19037
To carry out a tax check, you need a Government Gateway user ID and password. If you do not have a user ID, you can create one when you start the check.

You’ll also need to know:

when you first got your licence
the length of your most recent licence
how you pay tax on the income you earn from your licensed trade
You will not be able to complete the tax check if the information you give about your tax affairs does not match HMRC’s records.
Well that will be me f***ed, I haven't a clue when I got my first license. It was about 20 years ago.
So what happens to all those who have had a badge for years and never declared any income?

_________________
Grandad,
To support my charity text MAYORWALK to 70085 to donate £5


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 47 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group