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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:28 pm 
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As regards the booking thing, the term 'private hire' is a bit of a red herring, and is obviously causing confusion.

The term 'private hire' for an HC pre-booking isn't inaccurate in the loose sense, but it is in the technical sense, since it's obviously leading some to believe it makes their HC vehicle a PHV some of the time.

But the vehicle can't be a plated HC and a PHV at the same time, so clearly the HC rules still apply if it's a plated HC.

If the council is using the term 'private hire' with regard to HC pre-bookings, then maybe better to avoid the term and stick with 'pre-booked HC hires', or similar, as Sussex stated earlier.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:17 pm 
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People need to understand that private hire, as in vehicle/driver/operator, is a completely different animal to private hire as in the work being undertaken.

In the same way you can hoover the floor without the need of a hoover.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:09 am 
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heathcote wrote:
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This has been discussed with them before but the argument put forward by drivers was that if the badge is being worn then it is more difficult to see than if it is displayed. the Council accepted this and now, as you say, some drivers are technically committing an offence but as it would be the Council who would prosecute such an offence it is not likely that they would.


Why not issue 2 badges, one to be worn by the driver the other to be displayed in the vehicle.

Councils have no control over how a private operator sets their charges for hire of private hire vehicle they supply, this is fact and a person in your position should let them know through the legal department of your Council.

The "rules" that they are quoting are for the Hackney cars.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:10 am 
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StuartW wrote:
As regards the booking thing, the term 'private hire' is a bit of a red herring, and is obviously causing confusion.

The term 'private hire' for an HC pre-booking isn't inaccurate in the loose sense, but it is in the technical sense, since it's obviously leading some to believe it makes their HC vehicle a PHV some of the time.

But the vehicle can't be a plated HC and a PHV at the same time, so clearly the HC rules still apply if it's a plated HC.

If the council is using the term 'private hire' with regard to HC pre-bookings, then maybe better to avoid the term and stick with 'pre-booked HC hires', or similar, as Sussex stated earlier.

Again, hit the nail on the head. drivers just quote the words issued by the Council and do as they like. I will be reminding the Council of the confusion that they are causing......Again.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:42 pm 
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55 Agreement to pay more than the legal fare No agreement whatever made with the
driver, or with any person having or pretending to have the care of any such hackney
carriage, for the payment of more than the fare allowed by any byelaw made under this or
the special Act, shall be binding on the person making the same; and any such person
may, notwithstanding such agreement, refuse, on discharging such hackney carriage, to
pay any sum beyond the fare allowed as aforesaid; and if any person actually pay to the
driver of any such hackney carriage, whether in pursuance of any such agreement or
otherwise, any sum exceeding the fare to which such driver was entitled, the person
paying the same shall be entitled, on complaint made against such driver before any
justice of the peace, to recover back the sum paid beyond the proper fare, and moreover
such driver shall be liable to a penalty for such exaction not exceeding [level 3 on the
standard scale]; and in default of the repayment by such driver of such excess of fare, or
of payment of the said penalty, such justice shall forthwith commit such driver to prison,
there to remain for any time not exceeding one month, unless the said excess of fare and
the said penalty be sooner paid

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 Post subject: Re: self explanatory.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:50 pm 
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Meters cannot be started until the passenger enters the vehicle.

Maybe from a street hiring, but not necessarily from an office job.


wrong... "once passenger is in car"

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Ah, but which passenger? the first one or the last one? First passenger gets in and says the other passenger is picking up the fish and chips. 15 minutes later they turn up all apologetic because they had to wait for the fish to fry. So is it the first passenger or the last one?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:58 pm 
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Ah, but which passenger? the first one or the last one? First passenger gets in and says the other passenger is picking up the fish and chips. 15 minutes later they turn up all apologetic because they had to wait for the fish to fry. So is it the first passenger or the last one?


ANY of the group would incur the meter being on, and waiting time for the cod

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Ah, but which passenger? the first one or the last one? First passenger gets in and says the other passenger is picking up the fish and chips. 15 minutes later they turn up all apologetic because they had to wait for the fish to fry. So is it the first passenger or the last one?


ANY of the group would incur the meter being on, and waiting time for the cod

Again, not according to our lot. They state that it is when the journey begins, ie when the wheels start turning.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:47 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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Ah, but which passenger? the first one or the last one? First passenger gets in and says the other passenger is picking up the fish and chips. 15 minutes later they turn up all apologetic because they had to wait for the fish to fry. So is it the first passenger or the last one?


ANY of the group would incur the meter being on, and waiting time for the cod

Again, not according to our lot. They state that it is when the journey begins, ie when the wheels start turning.

Ask them why your meter is fitted with waiting time

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:19 pm 
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Ask them why your meter is fitted with waiting time

Also ask them to take a few lessons on contract law.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:59 pm 
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For me, if it’s a street hire, the meter goes on as soon as the first passenger’s bum hits the seat. On a booking I usually allow 5-10 mins after the booked time depending on if it’s a regular or there is a valid reason. I don’t put the meter on for a disabled person until they’re in the cab and I’m sat back down.


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MR T wrote:
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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Ah, but which passenger? the first one or the last one? First passenger gets in and says the other passenger is picking up the fish and chips. 15 minutes later they turn up all apologetic because they had to wait for the fish to fry. So is it the first passenger or the last one?


ANY of the group would incur the meter being on, and waiting time for the cod

Again, not according to our lot. They state that it is when the journey begins, ie when the wheels start turning.

Ask them why your meter is fitted with waiting time

I did. The answer was for when you are waiting at traffic lights etc and on multi pick up and drop offs.

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57 Deposit to be made for carriages required to wait When any hackney carriage is
hired and taken to any place, and the driver thereof is required by the hirer there to wait
with such hackney carriage, such driver may demand and receive from such hirer his fare
for driving to such place, and also a sum equal to the fare of such carriage for the period,
as a deposit over and above such fare, during which he is required to wait as aforesaid, or
if no fare for time be fixed by the byelaws, then the sum of [7p] for every half hour
during which he is so required to wait, which deposit shall be accounted for by such
driver when such hackney carriage is finally discharged by such hirer; and if any such
driver who has received any such deposit as aforesaid refuses to wait as aforesaid, or goes
away or permits such hackney carriage to be driven or taken away without the consent of
such hirer, before the expiration of the time for which such deposit was made, or if such
driver on the final discharge of such hackney carriage refuse duly to account for such
deposit, every such driver so offending shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [level 1
on the standard scale]
No traffic lights in 1847 passengers have not hired the vehicle until the meter is engagged so when passengers are entering the taxi they are not insured and because they the council have told you to do it they must provide insurance

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