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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:57 am 
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Due to the highly questionable performance of our Licensing Authority, we are considering forming an association to, at the very least have a collective voice and if we are lucky, challenge and contest some of the decisions and get some accountability from the LO.

Anyone out there with experience of this, good bad or indifferent, all advice welcome


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:42 pm 
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Due to the highly questionable performance of our Licensing Authority, we are considering forming an association to, at the very least have a collective voice and if we are lucky, challenge and contest some of the decisions and get some accountability from the LO.

Anyone out there with experience of this, good bad or indifferent, all advice welcome

I think forming an association is a good move.

But do you need a national association like the NTA, or a union like the GMB or Unite to make your association a success?

If you do, google them and choose who you think is best. If your council is a Labour-controlled council I would consider joining a union.

The question I always ask is who knows your trade better than you, or your colleagues?

So maybe just get organised locally and ask for a meeting with the chair of licensing and go from there.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:42 am 
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When I formed the drivers association here the first thing the Council demanded was a copy of the association constitution.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:54 am 
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When I formed the drivers association here the first thing the Council demanded was a copy of the association constitution.

And I would have told them to go f*** themselves, followed by a number of FoI’s in relation to when the 1976 was approved, copy of the minutes and when every part of the council I.e parish councils agreed to it and copies of those minutes.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:24 am 
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If a member of the public wishes to attend a councillors surgery to lobby them, or seek advice, are they required to fill in or present bureaucratic forms before they can speak to them?

Does it require said bureaucratic forms to be completed before a licensing officer will address a genuine concern from a member of the trade?

One of biggest problem this trade has is a lack of participation in the consultation process, and sticking pointless hurdles in the way is utter madness, and as someone said recently, shame on them for doing so.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:28 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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When I formed the drivers association here the first thing the Council demanded was a copy of the association constitution.

And I would have told them to go f*** themselves, followed by a number of FoI’s in relation to when the 1976 was approved, copy of the minutes and when every part of the council I.e parish councils agreed to it and copies of those minutes.

Actually I sent them a copy of a certain taxi association constitution. As for the rest of your post I have already been down to the library and looked through the local paper archives for 6 months before they adopted the 1976 act to 6 months after the date and there was not a mention in the public notices at all. I asked them the question regarding parish Councils and I got the standard reply that our Council use " sorry all the records were destroyed in the fire".I haven't yet bothered to contact any of the parish Councils to get their records checked but I know there will be nothing in any of their minutes.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:30 am 
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Sussex wrote:
If a member of the public wishes to attend a councillors surgery to lobby them, or seek advice, are they required to fill in or present bureaucratic forms before they can speak to them?

Does it require said bureaucratic forms to be completed before a licensing officer will address a genuine concern from a member of the trade?

One of biggest problems this trade has is lack participation in the consultation process, and sticking pointless hurdles in the way is utter madness, and as someone said recently, shame on them for doing so.

We don't really have surgeries anymore. If a member of the public wishes to speak to a Councilor they just ring them up or email them. The other option is public question time at full Council meetings where you submit a written question before the deadline for your Councils rules and the portfolio holder of committee chair answers the question. At our Council if your question is accepted you can attend the meeting and ask your question in person and then you are able to ask a supplementary question provided that the supplementary question is to do with the original question or the answer given to that question.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:34 am 
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I got the standard reply that our Council use " sorry all the records were destroyed in the fire

Maybe that's how Glasgow City Council should have responded when they said they didn't keep records of driver and vehicle numbers prior to 2022 :roll:

High-profile fires in public buildings have become a bit of a political issue in Glasgow in recent years. On the other hand, I doubt if licensing records have been involved :?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:46 am 
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This is all beginning to look like a real ball ache, is there a simpler or more informal way of getting our collective voice heard?

One issue is the need for a constitution
Said constitution will most likely require a membership, requiring records, requiring personal details, requiring GDPR adherence, probably requiring registration with the data commissioners office, requiring fees, requiring bank accounts, requiring membership fees, requiring, requiring, requiring, and on and on it bloody well goes.

Why do we have to dance to their tune in order to have a voice?

How about just voicing our issues in the press?
It seems to be the one all powerful institution these days that can bring about change!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:36 am 
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Putting your head above the parapet is a potential minefield, whichever way you go about it 8-[

Noticed this on Twitter from TaxiPoint's Perry Richardson, written in the context of the confusion about taxi and private hire terminology.

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There isn't just confusion within the PHV sector but also the wider general public. Outside London there just isn't as obvious a delineation. A national Hackney Carriage trade association is urgently required to promote the innate flexibility of Taxis v PHVs.

TaxiPoint's Perry Richardson wrote:
Agreed. Wouldn’t take a lot to get such an association going either. Regional hackney associations could feed into it.

Put me down for it. I’d also happily sit on any board or committee for such a thing.

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Great - do you think the London associations would support/feed into it?

TaxiPoint's Perry Richardson wrote:
Would they give time, effort and funds… no. Certainly not to begin with anyway.

I’m sure they would provide insight and thoughts national agenda. They would also no doubt support campaigns that matches their own local ambitions.

If you didn’t step on toes locally or...

...With legal cover offered to drivers… I can’t see an issue.

https://twitter.com/PS_Richardson/statu ... 0801821698

I'm not holding my breath :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:55 pm 
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Sudbury wrote:
This is all beginning to look like a real ball ache, is there a simpler or more informal way of getting our collective voice heard?

One issue is the need for a constitution
Said constitution will most likely require a membership, requiring records, requiring personal details, requiring GDPR adherence, probably requiring registration with the data commissioners office, requiring fees, requiring bank accounts, requiring membership fees, requiring, requiring, requiring, and on and on it bloody well goes.

Why do we have to dance to their tune in order to have a voice?

How about just voicing our issues in the press?
It seems to be the one all powerful institution these days that can bring about change!

You don’t need a formal association, the more rules you have the more arse ache you will get.

Just be a spokesperson for the views of the trade, or the views of the fellas you work with.

Everyone is entitled to their views, even cab drivers.

I would email the chair of licensing requesting a meeting to discuss taxi matters. Tell them that drivers feel they haven’t got a voice and you and a few colleagues would like to meet with him to try and change that.

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