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| Author: | mctaxi [ Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | pink ladies circumventing licencing laws in warrington |
a year a go pink ladies came on the scene now there vehicles are up for re-test it seems they are not going bother re-licencing them as private hire and atempt to run then as limos/chauffer hire instead i have seen at least 2 vehicles unplated picking up passengers and droping off at the railway station today |
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| Author: | dinkidoo [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | no plates |
aswell as having no plates theyve still got "private hire only " on the doors. as well as running a radio advert saying "warringtons only ladie cab firm" so can anyone ask them are they private hire are they contract only are they taxis do they know what they are ?????????????????? do customers ???????????????????? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:11 am ] |
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If they are trying it on then why hasn't someone informed the local LO and the local paper. For the local LO this has got to be the easiest prosecution they could ever wish for, and I would be amazed if court proceedings don't follow in the next few months. 
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| Author: | JD [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: pink ladies circumventing licencing laws in warrington |
mctaxi wrote: a year a go pink ladies came on the scene now there vehicles are up for re-test it seems they are not going bother re-licencing them as private hire and atempt to run then as limos/chauffer hire instead i have seen at least 2 vehicles unplated picking up passengers and droping off at the railway station today
I highlighted in another thread that this is the road they would probably go down. I have no doubt that all franchises throughout the country have been informed they can operate without being licensed. If the local trade in Warrington feel strongly about this then they should inform the Licensing officer that they believe these people are operating outside the law. It would be interesting to hear what the LO says? Regards JD |
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| Author: | kermit2482 [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:03 am ] |
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I have now seen this companies taxis or whatever you call them operating in Plymouth now, and i hear a rumour that they too are trying to set up a limo type service. I know our local rag are very interested in this as i have had the nod so to speak so we shall have to wait and see. |
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| Author: | JD [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:22 pm ] |
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Having spoken to licensing in Warrington I can confirm that they are aware of the situation and are taking legal advice on the matter. It appears Pink Ladies are still submitting driver license applications and still have several vehicles that currently licensed as P/H vehicles but other vehicles that were licensed have not been renewed. This suggests vehicle licenses will not be renewed on expiry and I expect this trend to continue throughout the country. The plan is unfolding exactly as I suggested in a previous thread and we probably all agree that it will be most interesting to see who will be the first authority to test the legal boundaries of this activity? Regards JD |
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| Author: | smiffyz (geoff) [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:31 pm ] |
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So male driver are all rapists, but hire pink slappers and you could be driven around in a death trap that isnt tested every six months? I feel a letter to the local paper coming on................................. |
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| Author: | mctaxi [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:58 pm ] |
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go on geoff we all love you letters to the paper i posted this on warrington worldwides forum: http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/s ... 6;t=001715 i think its kinda ironic how pink ladies are becoming the thing they were trying to protect women from but i guess when money gets involved good intentions go out the window if any court cases go against them they will have commited several offences and will probaly go out of buisness and all to just save a few pounds on test fees 
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| Author: | smiffyz (geoff) [ Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:08 pm ] |
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Just emailed phil johnson (head of transport Warrington Council) pointing out that pink Ladies carry out Social Services contracts carrying vunerable people and youngsters, and if the're aware that should an unlicenced vehicle be involved in an accident whilst working on such a contract and it's found to be illegal, then the council would be responsible for knowingly allowing such a vehicle to operate on their behalf. Cant wait for his reply! |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:27 am ] |
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smiffyz (geoff) wrote: Just emailed phil johnson (head of transport Warrington Council) pointing out that pink Ladies carry out Social Services contracts carrying vunerable people and youngsters, and if the're aware that should an unlicenced vehicle be involved in an accident whilst working on such a contract and it's found to be illegal, then the council would be responsible for knowingly allowing such a vehicle to operate on their behalf.
Not a bad avenue to go down.
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| Author: | smiffyz (geoff) [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:13 pm ] |
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This is the reply recived today form Phil Johnson head of Warrington Borough Council Transport. It shows their on the ball with the problem. Dear sir Thanks for your note. I hope I can provide some of the reassurance you requested. Firstly, we have a egal firm looking at the issues of Pink Ladies who are seeking to justify running unlicenced vehicles. We are also led to believe that James Button, the person who publishes the definitive text on Taxi's has indicated that Pink Ladies have possibly found a loophole insofar as the way they franchaise their particular operations, however this has yet to be confirmed. However, with regard to the use of the Pink Ladies company on contracted WBC services, whether Social Services or Special Education needs, it is a condition of our contracts that only licenced vehicles can be used. When this issue arose WBC's taxi licensing officer indicated to me that some of their vehicle licences were running out. We (WBC) carried out an internal review of Pink Ladies involvement with the Council's Passenger Transport Unit, the unit which procures transport services for both Social Services and Education vulnerable clients. Pink Ladies then operated a total of 14 contracts with us. We contacted Pink Ladies and asked for a confirmed list of which licensed vehicles they would be using on our contracts as we knew they still had four licences still current. This was provided and because they obviously could not meet the needs of all contracts, four have been terminated. Contracts operate throughout the day, hence ten are still operating with licensed vehicles. In order to verify that Pink Ladies were providing licenced vehicles, checks have been carried out this morning at two locations and The company was confirmed as complying with Contract conditions Pink Ladies has provided a very reliable, flexible and cost effective service that will be lost, if the legal loophole is found to be valid, the Council will not, as you rightly suggest, envisage a removal or reduction of contract conditions. As this situation develops, the Council will review its position. I'm sure I don't need direct confirmation from our Executive Members for Environment or 'Safer Communities' that they would wish officers to ensure the safety of vulnerable clients as first priority - and that is what we will do. I'm sure you know Warrington is not the only authority which is dealing with this particular problem at the moment, Cumbria, St Helens and Wigan, I believe are similarly affected, as the Pink Ladies franchise spreads out from Warrington. Please feel free to contact me again at any time for any reassurance you need. Regards, Phil Johnson Head of Service (Transportation) |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:24 pm ] |
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smiffyz (geoff) wrote: We are also led to believe that James Button, the person who publishes the definitive text on Taxi's has indicated that Pink Ladies have possibly found a loophole insofar as the way they franchaise their particular operations, however this has yet to be confirmed.
Is this the same James Button who thought Mr Gladen was wrong? 
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:28 pm ] |
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smiffyz (geoff) wrote: This was provided and because they obviously could not meet the needs of all contracts, four have been terminated.
This is by far the best way your manor can sort it in the short term. Basically if they are not licensed, then they don't get the work. I wish a few more councils shared such a view. In the longer term a review of the act is needed, either via the courts or via the gov. 
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| Author: | kermit2482 [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:29 pm ] |
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Pink ladies have today appeared in our local paper just as i suspected they would, they claim they dont need a licence as they are a members only travel club under an exemption of section 75 of the local government miscellaneous provisions act 1976. Apparently they fall in to a grey area says the evening herald. Could someone in the know please explain this section 75 act for me. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:53 pm ] |
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kermit2482 wrote: Could someone in the know please explain this section 75 act for me.
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=3630 is the main authority which, to me, says it will all end in tears for the pink mob. If it doesn't then no-one in their right mind will f*** about with licensing PH. Be they drivers or operators. Because of this, either the courts will insist on the pinkies licensing as PH (or taxi), or the government will have to act. What people need to do around all these pinky hotspots is to do a bit of scare-mongering in the local press.
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