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Author:  Tom Thumb [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Those jolly old magistrates

Have insisted that a guy in our area should be allowed to be licensed even though he served a jail sentence a few years ago for running a chain of illegal sex shops.

Really makes you wonder what would make you fail the 'fit and proper' test these days.

Author:  Nidge2 [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:23 pm ]
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If he's been out of trouble for 5 years he can get a licence, it says that on all the application forms. Depending on what sort of crime it was, running illegal sex shops isn't a bad crime is it? I should think he'll come under the 5 year rule where they become spent.

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:35 pm ]
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Nothing is ever spent now, in relation to taxi and PH licensed drivers.

Ops are different, but shouldn't be. :shock:

Author:  Nidge2 [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:53 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
Nothing is ever spent now, in relation to taxi and PH licensed drivers.

Ops are different, but shouldn't be. :shock:


Well it says on the application forms convictions are spent after 5 years, on the CRB forms it also says the same. Convictions cannot be held against you after 5 years.

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:06 pm ]
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Nidge wrote:
Well it says on the application forms convictions are spent after 5 years, on the CRB forms it also says the same. Convictions cannot be held against you after 5 years.


Then your application forms are wrong, or more likely out of date by about 18 months.

Author:  Tom Thumb [ Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:52 pm ]
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Nidge wrote:
running illegal sex shops isn't a bad crime is it?


I think that comment shows your true colours Nidge.

Dealing illegally in pornography doesn't constitute a bad crime. Tell why do you think he dealt illegally? You don't think it might have been because the product he was handling was totally unacceptable, paedophilia for example!

Open those eyes Nidge, the real world is out there.

Author:  Nidge2 [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:27 am ]
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Tom Thumb wrote:
Nidge wrote:
running illegal sex shops isn't a bad crime is it?


I think that comment shows your true colours Nidge.

Dealing illegally in pornography doesn't constitute a bad crime. Tell why do you think he dealt illegally? You don't think it might have been because the product he was handling was totally unacceptable, paedophilia for example!

Open those eyes Nidge, the real world is out there.


True colours??? I have no true colours mate not where you lot are concerned anyway. He could have dealt illegally because the Council didn't grant him a licence, all sex shops must have a licence, some Lib Dem Councils hate these shops with a passion thus refusing a licence. What sort of porn was it anyway you are only telling half a story, you get on to me for doing that.

Author:  Guest [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:59 am ]
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Sussex wrote:
Nidge wrote:
Well it says on the application forms convictions are spent after 5 years, on the CRB forms it also says the same. Convictions cannot be held against you after 5 years.


Then your application forms are wrong, or more likely out of date by about 18 months.


The forms were also wrong 18 months ago then.

Thje Rehabilitation of Offenders Act has never stated 5 years in its entire existence. Different crimes have different "spent" periods.

Author:  Staffs Taxi Man [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:44 am ]
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I suggest some of you look at the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act table.

Been in Prison for 6 and 30 months - 10 years till spent

imprisonment of up to 6 months - 7 years till spent.

Borstal Training - 7 Years

A fine, probation, - 5 years

Absolute discharge - 6 months

Conditional Discharge or get bound over - 1 year

Detained under the menmtal health act - 2 years after date of order ceases.

And some others for court martials etc....

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:55 pm ]
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Mr Staffs, if you go and search the Home Office site, you will find that following the introduction of CRB checks, both taxi and PH drivers are now exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

Author:  Guest [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:20 pm ]
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I think Mr Staff's man's point was that Nidge's 5 year thingy was a complete nonsense. It is exactly as Mr Staffs says.

Yes Uncle Sux, if you have Advanced/Enhanced CRB checks, it matters not a toss anyway. There is no more spent convictions.

The two year Mental Health Act preclusion did apply to me. But I had a brain transplant, and now I am ok.

I had a brand new brain installed that had never been used .

And I am still very grateful to Nidge for being the donor.

Author:  gedmay [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:00 pm ]
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Be careful that the brain does not reject you :wink:
Ged

Author:  Cgull [ Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:24 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
Mr Staffs, if you go and search the Home Office site, you will find that following the introduction of CRB checks, both taxi and PH drivers are now exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.


So if sdomeone has said in the past when filling in the forms that they are honest and decent. But now then can be check back to the beggining does that mean they can lose there license not for whatr they did in the past but for lying on the forms?

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