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Author:  Stinky Pete [ Tue May 15, 2007 3:30 am ]
Post subject:  accepting a flagger
A driver at York is being threatened to be taken to court by York stn taxis for picking up a punter who flagged him, [mmmmm. arn't we all doing the job we are supposed to do] not on the rank but in the public drop off and pick up area at York railway stn

the driver was flagged after he dropped off his last customers so he picked them up, there was no Stn Taxis available on the rank or anywhere in sight, yet it seems many stn drivers saw him do this, but somehow wern't there, only stn taxi office wallahs saw this and took note

how illeagal is that, is it illeagal, he was flagged
Author:  the thinker [ Tue May 15, 2007 8:20 am ]
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the driver who did this is the same man who many years ago when he himself was the main man at station taxis took someone to court for the same offence, what goes round comes round, he was also the same man who came back early from holiday and ordered the ending of strike action which would have brought and end to the permit situation, kettles and pots.
Author:  JD [ Tue May 15, 2007 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: accepting a flagger
Stinky Pete wrote:
A driver at York is being threatened to be taken to court by York stn taxis for picking up a punter who flagged him, [mmmmm. arn't we all doing the job we are supposed to do] not on the rank but in the public drop off and pick up area at York railway stn

the driver was flagged after he dropped off his last customers so he picked them up, there was no Stn Taxis available on the rank or anywhere in sight, yet it seems many stn drivers saw him do this, but somehow wern't there, only stn taxi office wallahs saw this and took note

how illeagal is that, is it illeagal, he was flagged


If he didn't have a permit and he plied for hire on the station, for example picking someone up on Station property other than a pre booked job then he has broken their by laws. Even if he was on the public highway at the time he was flagged.

Regards

JD
Author:  cabby john [ Tue May 15, 2007 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: accepting a flagger
JD wrote:
Stinky Pete wrote:
A driver at York is being threatened to be taken to court by York stn taxis for picking up a punter who flagged him, [mmmmm. arn't we all doing the job we are supposed to do] not on the rank but in the public drop off and pick up area at York railway stn

the driver was flagged after he dropped off his last customers so he picked them up, there was no Stn Taxis available on the rank or anywhere in sight, yet it seems many stn drivers saw him do this, but somehow wern't there, only stn taxi office wallahs saw this and took note

how illeagal is that, is it illeagal, he was flagged


If he didn't have a permit and he plied for hire on the station, for example picking someone up on Station property other than a pre booked job then he has broken their by laws. Even if he was on the public highway at the time he was flagged.

Regards

JD


As JD says if it was pre booked then he was okay regardless :roll: But! if not :shock:
Author:  JD [ Tue May 15, 2007 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: accepting a flagger
cabby john wrote:
As JD says if it was pre booked then he was okay regardless :roll: But! if not :shock:


Therein lies his defence. It would then be up to the prosecution to prove he wasn't pre booked. Video evidence would no doubt help the prosecution and the absence of video evidence would obviously help the person who is accused of plying for hire? It is up to the station to prosecute but will they go to court on the hearsay evidence of someone who only saw what took place and has no idea of the whether the hiring was pre booked or not?

Interesting development because the defence of pre booking has never been tried before under such circumstances and it will be interesting to see how it is played out?

Regards

JD
Author:  grandad [ Tue May 15, 2007 4:29 pm ]
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The guy was waving to show the driver of his pre booked taxi where he was. :wink:
Author:  JD [ Tue May 15, 2007 4:45 pm ]
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grandad wrote:
The guy was waving to show the driver of his pre booked taxi where he was. :wink:


Thats the way I see it, lol, recognition factor?

Regards

JD
Author:  the thinker [ Tue May 15, 2007 5:23 pm ]
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The bottom line is this guy used to be the head of Station taxis, he sold his share and is now a driver for someone who was refused a permit so to antagonise the establishment he goes in and picks up thinking he is above their law, well they have got news for him and its all bad. Instead of going to court to prosecute him, how about an injunction banning him from Railway property, simply by being there he will be inbreach of the injunction.
Author:  TDO [ Tue May 15, 2007 5:51 pm ]
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Don't you just hate it when people flag you down and ask if you are XYZ Taxis, who they've just phoned? :evil:
Author:  JD [ Tue May 15, 2007 6:30 pm ]
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the thinker wrote:
The bottom line is this guy used to be the head of Station taxis, he sold his share and is now a driver for someone who was refused a permit so to antagonise the establishment he goes in and picks up thinking he is above their law, well they have got news for him and its all bad. Instead of going to court to prosecute him, how about an injunction banning him from Railway property, simply by being there he will be inbreach of the injunction.


The station could do that.

Obviously most of us dont have an axe to grind with this person and our input was purely on the basis of how the law applies.

Regards

JD
Author:  Stinky Pete [ Wed May 16, 2007 2:10 am ]
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the thinker wrote:
the driver who did this is the same man who many years ago when he himself was the main man at station taxis took someone to court for the same offence, what goes round comes round, he was also the same man who came back early from holiday and ordered the ending of strike action which would have brought and end to the permit situation, .


I agree, if he had only listened to the voice of the majority cab drivers we would have now had open access, but no York Stn Taxis knows best

its interesting to know that another York Stn Taxi potential court case has cropped up re a certain driver, lets call him Mr X, an independant owner whose cab has been given/sold a stn permit for the year ahead, paid for by his driver, as payment would not be accepted from the owner of the cab, only his driver can now access the Stn rank, Mr X has been given an official Stn Taxis letter from the commmittteeeeeeee of share holders, voted, that finding Mr X not a suitable person to hold a Stn Hire Permit, he doesn't meet their standards, not fit and proper person,

so it looks like a court case is to be brought by Mr X and substancial damages leading into the 10 grand mark, makes me laugh, who are these people who run Stn Taxis, can't be a good setup as every other month someone makes a claim on them
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed May 16, 2007 12:13 pm ]
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Stinky, Why not round up all the cabs that cannot use the station, and do a take over, just wait until the rank is almost empty and fill it quick, even overflow it, what could they do then.
It seems to me, that stn taxis do not have the god given right to keep anyone else out.
Who actually owns the rank???? the council or the rail company. I think that if you check the records it will be owned by the council so that any tom dick or harry with a hack plate can use it
Author:  JD [ Wed May 16, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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skippy41 wrote:
Stinky, Why not round up all the cabs that cannot use the station, and do a take over, just wait until the rank is almost empty and fill it quick, even overflow it, what could they do then.
It seems to me, that stn taxis do not have the god given right to keep anyone else out.
Who actually owns the rank???? the council or the rail company. I think that if you check the records it will be owned by the council so that any tom dick or harry with a hack plate can use it


I think York Station Taxi rank is actually situated on Station property Skippy, therefore their bylaws apply. Any offence committed on station property under their bylaws in most cases is liable for prosecution by the station managers or owners? Station Taxis do not have the right to prosecute anyone under current legislation because the station is not their property.

Regards

JD
Author:  TDO [ Wed May 16, 2007 3:36 pm ]
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The station is most probably owned by Network Rail and leased to GNER.
Author:  Stinky Pete [ Thu May 17, 2007 1:51 am ]
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skippy41 wrote:
Stinky, Why not round up all the cabs that cannot use the station, and do a take over,
Who actually owns the rank???? the council or the rail company. I think that if you check the records it will be owned by the council so that any tom dick or harry with a hack plate can use it


have you ever tried herding cats, same applies to York taxi drivers, they scatter

a few years ago a taxi driver [now deceased] found documents in the library archive which clearly showed the the Stn rank is now situated on the old A19 [Selby to Thirsk road] but since then the road having been moved yards away

here below is one of the last chairman of York Stn taxis who clearly messed up that taxi firm, oh he's gone on to higher things now, led to believe he could be the new leader of York City council, lets see what else he cocks up
http://democracy.york.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.asp?UID=1103
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