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Hi all.

Need some help really quick on this one.
I am away on sat morning early so need to get in by friday.

Basically a P/H with a book fare was picking up outside nationwide build/socity on double yellows.

The fare was prebooked legally over phone and the driver was helping the lady into his p/h when the ticket was issed. He was told by the pso (police support officer) that "There is a taxi rank over there you should use that"
He tried to explain that he was a p/h and that it was illegal for him to pick up on a taxi rank or wait there.
He got a ticket for parking anyway. The ticket says obstructing a bus route.

UM ANY ROAD IN TOWN IS A BUS ROUTE??????

All the towns bus stops are 400 yards away??? there is a bus bay for waiting only busses. This he was not in.

Can anyone please give me some input that I can print off for him to have before I go away.

I am approaching LA tomorrow and the police with a complant but knowing what the police are like they will not back down.

Thankyou in advance for any help.

So you are saying it is illegal to pick up a prebooked person on double yellows????
There must be something out there????

A HC can stop to pick up anywhere. look at london red routes. How does a
PH in london with a prebooked fare pick up if the person lives on a red route. double yellows must be a simple answer???

You can load and off load with a white van on double yellow??? so surely a PH must have the right to do so too???

Was there for the minimum time needed to find and load passenger in his car?

juls wrote:

Was there for the minimum time needed to find and load passenger in his car?

Well that may be the problem, since you allude that the driver may have left the car unattended.

I think the maximum time permissable may be down to guidelines and/or discretion, but clearly if a driver is on the yellows for a long time then he can't really use the uplifting exemption, particularly where the vehicle is unattended.

But if the ticket was on the basis of obstructing the bus route then I can't really see the relevance of uplifting anyway.

I would ask the council or whoever issues the tickets the exact nature of the offence and what they consider a reasonable time to uplift passengers.

So you are saying it is illegal to pick up a prebooked person on double yellows????
There must be something out there????

Author:	juls [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:	P/H PICKING UP ON DOUBL YELLOWS BOOKED
Hi all. Need some help really quick on this one. I am away on sat morning early so need to get in by friday. Basically a P/H with a book fare was picking up outside nationwide build/socity on double yellows. The fare was prebooked legally over phone and the driver was helping the lady into his p/h when the ticket was issed. He was told by the pso (police support officer) that "There is a taxi rank over there you should use that" He tried to explain that he was a p/h and that it was illegal for him to pick up on a taxi rank or wait there. He got a ticket for parking anyway. The ticket says obstructing a bus route. UM ANY ROAD IN TOWN IS A BUS ROUTE?????? All the towns bus stops are 400 yards away??? there is a bus bay for waiting only busses. This he was not in. Can anyone please give me some input that I can print off for him to have before I go away. I am approaching LA tomorrow and the police with a complant but knowing what the police are like they will not back down. Thankyou in advance for any help.

Author:	JD [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: P/H PICKING UP ON DOUBL YELLOWS BOOKED
juls wrote: Hi all. Need some help really quick on this one. I am away on sat morning early so need to get in by friday. Basically a P/H with a book fare was picking up outside nationwide build/socity on double yellows. The fare was prebooked legally over phone and the driver was helping the lady into his p/h when the ticket was issed. He was told by the pso (police support officer) that "There is a taxi rank over there you should use that" He tried to explain that he was a p/h and that it was illegal for him to pick up on a taxi rank or wait there. He got a ticket for parking anyway. The ticket says obstructing a bus route. UM ANY ROAD IN TOWN IS A BUS ROUTE?????? All the towns bus stops are 400 yards away??? there is a bus bay for waiting only busses. This he was not in. Can anyone please give me some input that I can print off for him to have before I go away. I am approaching LA tomorrow and the police with a complant but knowing what the police are like they will not back down. Thankyou in advance for any help. Most if not all road restrictions by law have to have a visible notice of some sort setting out the restrictions of the road if any? I think you will find there is such a notice in close proximity to where the alleged offence was committed. I would go back to where the alleged offence took place and look at the official prohibition signs on the lamposts. There is no easy way out of parking offences. Regards JD

Author:	juls [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:37 am ]
Post subject:	MMMM
So you are saying it is illegal to pick up a prebooked person on double yellows???? There must be something out there???? A HC can stop to pick up anywhere. look at london red routes. How does a PH in london with a prebooked fare pick up if the person lives on a red route. double yellows must be a simple answer??? You can load and off load with a white van on double yellow??? so surely a PH must have the right to do so too???

Author:	juls [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:38 am ]
Post subject:	mmm
pickup, loading and PARKING??? surely all a differant ball park?

Author:	TDO [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:45 am ]
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I think the general rule is that a vehicle can stop on yellow lines to pick up or set down passengers. However, as JD says there may be specific qualifications to that rule and they should be outlined on nearby notices. As juls says since the vehicle is a PH the fact that a taxi rank is nearby is irrelevant, and in any case even if it was a taxi the presence of a rank shouldn't really be an issue if it's a pre-booked job and the yellow line restrictions are adhered to. Unless it's a designated bus lane or whatever then the relevance of the ticket saying that the driver was obstructing a bus route isn't obvious, since that surely isn't a specific offence of any kind?

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Author:	JD [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: MMMM
juls wrote: So you are saying it is illegal to pick up a prebooked person on double yellows???? There must be something out there???? A HC can stop to pick up anywhere. look at london red routes. How does a PH in london with a prebooked fare pick up if the person lives on a red route. double yellows must be a simple answer??? You can load and off load with a white van on double yellow??? so surely a PH must have the right to do so too??? What I'm saying and nothing more is the fact that the prohibition notice will explain what you cannot do. You know what the prohibition notice says because you have just quoted it. If you legally complied with the notice then you have nothing to worry about, you can always appeal the parking fine. Regards JD

Author:	TDO [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:14 am ]
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juls wrote: Was there for the minimum time needed to find and load passenger in his car? Well that may be the problem, since you allude that the driver may have left the car unattended. I think the maximum time permissable may be down to guidelines and/or discretion, but clearly if a driver is on the yellows for a long time then he can't really use the uplifting exemption, particularly where the vehicle is unattended. But if the ticket was on the basis of obstructing the bus route then I can't really see the relevance of uplifting anyway. I would ask the council or whoever issues the tickets the exact nature of the offence and what they consider a reasonable time to uplift passengers.

Author:	juls [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:37 am ]
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TDO wrote: juls wrote: Was there for the minimum time needed to find and load passenger in his car? Well that may be the problem, since you allude that the driver may have left the car unattended. I think the maximum time permissable may be down to guidelines and/or discretion, but clearly if a driver is on the yellows for a long time then he can't really use the uplifting exemption, particularly where the vehicle is unattended. But if the ticket was on the basis of obstructing the bus route then I can't really see the relevance of uplifting anyway. I would ask the council or whoever issues the tickets the exact nature of the offence and what they consider a reasonable time to uplift passengers. Cheers Cant answer that. Will speak to driver tomorrow hopfully. If he rings me. Any more input in the mean time would be great. Thankyou ALL!!! for your help so far. Regards Juls

Author:	smiffyz (geoff) [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:53 am ]
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Did the old lady happen to be disabled/unsteady on her legs? This could be a route to go down.

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: MMMM
juls wrote: So you are saying it is illegal to pick up a prebooked person on double yellows???? There must be something out there???? I don't think you have anything to lose by appealing, so that's the first thing I would do. I would also tell the police that they will get no help from the trade all the time they treat drivers in that way. But appeal the ticket, and make them work for the money.

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