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Author:  Downtown Cab [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:15 am ]
Post subject:  cctv
The local council are thinking of making us all have cctv as a cab rule.
We are meant to recoup the costs through a meter change.

Does this happen anywhere else?
Author:  JD [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: cctv
Downtown Cab wrote:
The local council are thinking of making us all have cctv as a cab rule.
We are meant to recoup the costs through a meter change.

Does this happen anywhere else?


I doubt they can force an owner to install it. And if they did they can't make the owner or a driver use it.

Regards

JD
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: cctv
Downtown Cab wrote:
Does this happen anywhere else?

Not as far as I'm aware. :?

Personally I think it would be a good idea. :shock:

By funding it through a tarrif change then drivers will get it F.O.C. A rare thing indeed.

I suspect the council will support it as it will end any problems with customers saying they have been overcharged, and more importantly customers saying drivers have behaved incorrectly.

With CCTV there will be no doubt as to who's in the wrong. :-$

The bad guys will have to become good or find a new job. :wink:
Author:  JD [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:32 pm ]
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CCTV solves a lot of problems especially false accusations against cab drivers but councillors using section 47 as a means to implement this condition as compulsary is a slippery slope we shouldn't want to go down.

Regards

JD
Author:  JD [ Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: cctv
Downtown Cab wrote:
The local council are thinking of making us all have cctv as a cab rule.
We are meant to recoup the costs through a meter change.

Does this happen anywhere else?


Doesn't Brighton already allow owners to install CCTV in cabs without it being compulsory? Why then make it compulsory? Don't you guys down there believe in Freedom of choice? I would rather be in control of my own cctv and use it when I think it is necessary, I don't want to have to go down to the council or police station every five minutes to have images extracted every time I think there might be a false allegation or complaint made against me. I would rather retain any images and evidence myself and inform the council they had been retained until such time I was convinced that it was safe to dispose of them.

A system that uses a flash card or similar portable data memory device would be ideal for easy storage.

I'm not in Brighton so it’s not my concern except that section 47 will once again be used as an excuse to circumvent the law and place conditions on owners that legislation doesn't allow.

For a part of the world that likes to think it is a leader in all things relating to taxis I'm surprised this compulsory CCTV suggestion ever got off the ground.

Regards

JD
Author:  Scooby [ Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:38 pm ]
Post subject: 
hey,

i think is a good idea, does anyone know of a good supply to get hold of such equipment, as would like this installed in my vehicle.

Trying to keep costs down at moment so any relativly cheap models are good, although do need a unit so safety first for me.
Author:  JD [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: cctv
Downtown Cab wrote:
The local council are thinking of making us all have cctv as a cab rule.
We are meant to recoup the costs through a meter change.

Does this happen anywhere else?


Seeing as this only effects the Hackney carriage trade can you tell us who which hackney carriage organisation asked for this to be compulsory?

Regards

JD
Author:  Downtown Cab [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:05 pm ]
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This I think will apply to both taxi and ph as 99.9% of ph have meters and their firms run the same rate as taxis.
the council have always allowed cctv but drivers have had to pay for it.

this way customers will pay. but if they put it on the meter then that means all will have to have it.
The t&g and gmb support it im told. Even the lads from the Ph association support it.
One of the reason the t&g man said it would be good is it would show the council when a ph picks up without a booking.
Author:  JD [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:07 pm ]
Post subject: 
Downtown Cab wrote:
This I think will apply to both taxi and ph as 99.9% of ph have meters and their firms run the same rate as taxis.
the council have always allowed cctv but drivers have had to pay for it.


Private hire can set their own rates so the fare increase is imaterial to them. The only people who benefit from a fare increase are hackney carriage drivers and owners as like i said private hire can put their fares up anytime. Therefore considering the fact private hire can already install cctv they have nothing to gain.

Quote:
The t&g and gmb support it im told. Even the lads from the Ph association support it. One of the reason the t&g man said it would be good is it would show the council when a ph picks up without a booking.


It just goes to show how stupid these GMBU and T&G people are because I'd like to see the bylaw that says a hackney carriage driver has to use a cctv device.

Section 47 rears its ugly head again in respect of vehicles but Carlisle found out to their cost that they can't manipulate legislation under the excuse of section 47 to suit themselves and if brighton try and implement this illegal condition then I suspect Brighton they will meet the same fate.

Perhaps someone can show me the legislation that gives a council statutory power to insist on CCTV in cabs. Just because there is a statutory law giving a council the power to regulate fares by the way of bylaws, there is no statutory law giving them the right to make an owner install CCTV.

Or perhaps someone in Brighton has invented one.

Regards

JD
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:37 pm ]
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Usually I'm not a fan of universal compulsion, but on some safety issues, such as this proposal, I think I could be swayed. :wink:

I think the plus's out-weigh the minus's for drivers, as I believe CCTV does deter the scum, as there's nothing more the scum hate than being caught. And should the scum still try it on, at least the driver can take some solace in the fact that the scum will end up in court, hopefully.

Yes that can still happen without universal compulsion, but my experience with this trade is that drivers (in the main) will only dip into their pockets when it's too late. And the chances of getting others to foot the bill, en masse, are slim to say the least.

From a council's point of view I would imagine mandatory CCTV is manna from heaven. How many times must they get complaints that they have no chance of ever getting to the truth? How many times do we hear stories that can never be proved? Like he didn't know where he was going. He charged much more than normal. He didn't look anything like his picture.

And that's just the lower end of complaints. What about he touched me, he tried to kiss me, he made rude remarks?

In my view mandatory CCTV would help the good guys, and help make the bad guys good. And if the punters are going to pay for it, then I would be in favour.
Author:  JD [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:18 pm ]
Post subject: 
Sussex wrote:
In my view mandatory CCTV would help the good guys, and help make the bad guys good. And if the punters are going to pay for it, then I would be in favour.


I take the opposite view and believe CCTV should be left up to each individual but I have to ask the question under what legislation is it legal for a council to impose the mandatory imposition of CCTV and under what legislation can they force a hackney carriage driver to use it?

Regards

JD
Author:  MR T [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:28 am ]
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IMO..JD is right... :wink:
Author:  Zaffer Iqbal metro cars [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:02 am ]
Post subject: 
Scooby wrote:
hey,

i think is a good idea, does anyone know of a good supply to get hold of such equipment, as would like this installed in my vehicle.

Trying to keep costs down at moment so any relativly cheap models are good, although do need a unit so safety first for me.




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Author:  Sussex [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:33 pm ]
Post subject: 
JD wrote:
I have to ask the question under what legislation is it legal for a council to impose the mandatory imposition of CCTV and under what legislation can they force a hackney carriage driver to use it?

The same law that allow councils to stop vehicles, other than those than can do a small u-turn, being licensed. :?
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:33 pm ]
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MR T wrote:
IMO..JD is right... :wink:

The older generation sticking together again. :roll: :roll:
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