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I run a small bed and breakfast and occasionally offer to pick guests up from the station, especially if they are staying for an extended period. Apart from my being unpopular here because I am doing taxi drivers out of a job, can someone explain if I am breaking the law? What are the limits of hire and reward? I dont charge for the service, but could it be construed that this is a hire and that I am benefiting from it? Also how do the pubs that run complimentary minibuses operate? :?:

how do the big hotel chains get away with running unlicenced vehicles to do the same thing as this person is doing,

Would I be breaking the law if I let people stay in my home free of charge but charged them extra for the taxi to my home to compensate myself I know the answer before I ask so why ask more to the point why operate the service in the 1st place.

So if I hire a taxi and then offer to buy the driver an alcoholic drink at the end of my journey and the end of his shift, am I breaking the alcohol licensing laws ?

So if I hire a taxi and then offer to buy the driver an alcoholic drink at the end of my journey and the end of his shift, am I breaking the alcohol licensing laws ? Or if I run a B and B and offer my guest a drink in the local bar would that also be breaking the law - does my room rental include that too - in which case I would need a taxi license and a drinks license too!

Author:	Guest [ Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:32 pm ]
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I run a small bed and breakfast and occasionally offer to pick guests up from the station, especially if they are staying for an extended period. Apart from my being unpopular here because I am doing taxi drivers out of a job, can someone explain if I am breaking the law? What are the limits of hire and reward? I dont charge for the service, but could it be construed that this is a hire and that I am benefiting from it? Also how do the pubs that run complimentary minibuses operate?

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:11 pm ]
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Yes, you are in breach of the law. Even if you do the rides for nothing, the fact that you are gaining an advantage by offering this free service for your customers, can be classed as a financial one. What a court could say, is that part of your room rental includes a sum to cover the costs of the transport. I could go on with the exact case law, but I wont. But what I will say is why don't you just get your vehicle licensed, and then you can offer a proper service to your guests, not just a station shuttle.

Author:	Barnsley [ Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:38 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote: I run a small bed and breakfast and occasionally offer to pick guests up from the station, especially if they are staying for an extended period. Apart from my being unpopular here because I am doing taxi drivers out of a job, can someone explain if I am breaking the law? What are the limits of hire and reward? I dont charge for the service, but could it be construed that this is a hire and that I am benefiting from it? Also how do the pubs that run complimentary minibuses operate? Would I be breaking the law if I let people stay in my home free of charge but charged them extra for the taxi to my home to compensate myself I know the answer before I ask so why ask more to the point why operate the service in the 1st place. The nightclub's that operate free buses get away with it by paying licensed firms , maybe you could do the same.

Author:	Guest [ Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:40 pm ]
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how do the big hotel chains get away with running unlicenced vehicles to do the same thing as this person is doing, i dont think this is any thing to do with licencing, its just hard done by H/C driver moaning because they are losing a fare from the station. shame it wouldnt bother me them doing it but i am only a low life P/H driver your best best bet is to either ring up your local council or police station

Author:	Guest [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:59 am ]
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Anonymous wrote: how do the big hotel chains get away with running unlicenced vehicles to do the same thing as this person is doing, Because there are too many councils that know nothing about licensing law, or they are too lasy or scared to do anything.

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Author:	Guest [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:53 pm ]
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So if I hire a taxi and then offer to buy the driver an alcoholic drink at the end of my journey and the end of his shift, am I breaking the alcohol licensing laws ? Or if I run a B and B and offer my guest a drink in the local bar would that also be breaking the law - does my room rental include that too - in which case I would need a taxi license and a drinks license too!

Author:	Guest [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:00 pm ]
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Quote: Would I be breaking the law if I let people stay in my home free of charge but charged them extra for the taxi to my home to compensate myself I know the answer before I ask so why ask more to the point why operate the service in the 1st place. Im not sure the reverse argument follows. Surely the difference here is that a B and B isn't regulated in what it charges and doesnt have to be licensed. A taxi driver's fare is regulated and he has to be licensed - so the option of charging more just isn't there - its not a free market!

Author:	Guest [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:12 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote: So if I hire a taxi and then offer to buy the driver an alcoholic drink at the end of my journey and the end of his shift, am I breaking the alcohol licensing laws ? Of course not, you can even offer the drink as payment, if the driver is willing to accept, because he is licensed to take you from A to B. Whereas the B&B man isn't.

Author:	Guest [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:42 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote: So if I hire a taxi and then offer to buy the driver an alcoholic drink at the end of my journey and the end of his shift, am I breaking the alcohol licensing laws ? Or if I run a B and B and offer my guest a drink in the local bar would that also be breaking the law - does my room rental include that too - in which case I would need a taxi license and a drinks license too! it is unlawfull to buy a police officer or a taxi driver (a proper one not these minicab types) an alchoholic drink whilst on duty, or to sell them such a drink.

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