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Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Seater
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Author:  cabby john [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Seater
Its okay guys I am not trying to start a war, just a question.

As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.
Author:  JD [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
cabby john wrote:
Its okay guys I am not trying to start a war, just a question.

As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.


A private hire operator can charge what they like for any journey or any service, regardless of whether the journey starts and finishes inside or outside the licensed area.

Regards

JD
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:40 pm ]
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Why not ask the council to amend the tariff sheet so that you have 2 tariffs, one for 1 to 4 and fare and a half for 5 to 7, have a look at the post traffic commissioners report to see how ours works, then when you go outwith the boundaries just keep the meter running

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8694
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
cabby john wrote:
As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.

I suppose it all depends on how much work a radio will give you, especially 5/6/7 seater work.

If there is loads about, or you think you can gain a bit via advertisement, then go for it. Otherwise stay as you are and hope all 5/6/7 seater work is going out of town. :wink:
Author:  grandad [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
JD wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Its okay guys I am not trying to start a war, just a question.

As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.


A private hire operator can charge what they like for any journey or any service, regardless of whether the journey starts and finishes inside or outside the licensed area.

Regards

JD


I thought that a hackney operating as a private hire within the district could charge no more than the metered rate.
Author:  JD [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
grandad wrote:
JD wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Its okay guys I am not trying to start a war, just a question.

As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.


A private hire operator can charge what they like for any journey or any service, regardless of whether the journey starts and finishes inside or outside the licensed area.

Regards

JD


I thought that a hackney operating as a private hire within the district could charge no more than the metered rate.


Nope, afraid not.

To clarify, Nope I'm afraid not they can't charge more.

Regards

JD
Author:  jimbo [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
JD wrote:
grandad wrote:
JD wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Its okay guys I am not trying to start a war, just a question.

As an independent hackney in Cardiff our tariff only allows us to charge £1 per person over four passengers off the streets for journeys within the boundaries. Would I be right in saying that a hackney 6/7 seater driving for a private hire firm could legally charge shall we say a fare and a half within the city boundaries, if that what was quoted prior to the journey starting.


A private hire operator can charge what they like for any journey or any service, regardless of whether the journey starts and finishes inside or outside the licensed area.

Regards

JD


I thought that a hackney operating as a private hire within the district could charge no more than the metered rate.


Nope, afraid not.

Regards

JD


Not even Misc. prov. act 1976, section 67?

(1) No hackney carriage shall be used in the district under a contract or purported contract for private hire except at a rate of fares or charges not greater than that fixed by the bylaws...
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:06 pm ]
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A hackney carriage is a hackney carriage no matter where he is or works.

A hackney carriage doing private hire work outside of his manor is still a hackney carriage. :wink:
Author:  cabby john [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:14 pm ]
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Quote:
Not even Misc. prov. act 1976, section 67?

(1) No hackney carriage shall be used in the district under a contract or purported contract for private hire except at a rate of fares or charges not greater than that fixed by the bylaws...
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So if I rang a private hire office and asked for a 5/6/7 seater and they then quoted me fare and a half, then it would be alright to charge that if they sent a private hire vehicle even though it has got a meter installed - but they could not if it were a 5/6/7 seater hackney.

Sorry if I have got this wrong but I need it clarified.
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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cabby john wrote:
So if I rang a private hire office and asked for a 5/6/7 seater and they then quoted me fare and a half, then it would be alright to charge that if they sent a private hire vehicle even though it has got a meter installed - but they could not if it were a 5/6/7 seater hackney.

Yes, spot on, 100%. :wink:
Author:  cabby john [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:35 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
cabby john wrote:
So if I rang a private hire office and asked for a 5/6/7 seater and they then quoted me fare and a half, then it would be alright to charge that if they sent a private hire vehicle even though it has got a meter installed - but they could not if it were a 5/6/7 seater hackney.

Yes, spot on, 100%. :wink:


Cheers :wink:
Author:  grandad [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:10 pm ]
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Our conditions state that "It is not obligatory for a fare meter to be fitted to a private hire vehicle,but any private hire vehicle so equipped shall not be used for hire in a controlled district unless the fare meter has been tested and approved by the council."
Author:  JD [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
grandad wrote:
I thought that a hackney operating as a private hire within the district could charge no more than the metered rate.


I thought you said a hackney carriage "could charge more" than the metered fare and my response was no it can't. I didn't see your your "NO" before "MORE".

Obviously I need to do something with my eyes.

Regards

JD
Author:  JD [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Independent Hackney 7 seater v Private hire hackney 7 Se
jimbo wrote:
Not even Misc. prov. act 1976, section 67?

(1) No hackney carriage shall be used in the district under a contract or purported contract for private hire except at a rate of fares or charges not greater than that fixed by the bylaws...


That's quite right. Please see the explanation for the misunderstanding.

Regards

JD
Author:  Sussex [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:38 am ]
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grandad wrote:
Our conditions state that "It is not obligatory for a fare meter to be fitted to a private hire vehicle,but any private hire vehicle so equipped shall not be used for hire in a controlled district unless the fare meter has been tested and approved by the council."

There is two ways of reading the section in the act relating to PH meters.

One is that the council seal and confirm what rate is on the meter, and the other is that council can merely just approve the make of meter allowed.

I think it's the latter and councils should have nothing to do with what goes on or in the meter.

If it's the former then the council will have to have umpteen different rates to check and enforce. Including different yardage, different night-time starts, extras, meter and a half etc etc.
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