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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:08 am 
Tom Thumb wrote:
When I take out a lease on a vehicle I am always offered a policy which guarantees to cover the full amount of finance owing on a vehicle if it is written off.

Never taken it out, but I guess it is a standard offer to cover such circumstances.

Have to say you appear a little short sighted though Paul. A P reg Vectra, huge mileage and no apparent replacement policy in place. It was more likely that you could have had the gearbox go on you anytime, what would you have done then?


(err replace the gearbox?)

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No, that's laid out in statue. A council can't say you must be over 21, if the act says 18. From memory Kearns fought a case similar to that, where a council had an age rule different than the 1847 and 1976 acts, and won.



Is it - I'm so old that I never really thought about it!

I would probably have know that if J T Button had brought his new book out by now!

It still says on the Butterworths website that it's to be published in October, but I doubt it - I'm sure he's been waiting for the OFT to report, so I doubt if he'll get it out in October now.

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Which perhaps could lead us to the real meaning of the 'Treaty of Rome', in that officials can now use their common sense, and not dwell on out dated dogma.


What do you mean by dogma Andy??

My point wasn't really about Paul's case, but more in relation to your implication earlier, which seemed to suggest that you thougth that the OFT would think the current law on age-rules a bad thing.

Personally, I would prefer a hard and fast age rule, where everybody knows what's what. Once you start allowing officials discretion, then that's where the mess comes in.

For a start, I don't think age rules that apply only at replacement time are a good idea.

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No, that's laid out in statue. A council can't say you must be over 21, if the act says 18. From memory Kearns fought a case similar to that, where a council had an age rule different than the 1847 and 1976 acts, and won.



Is it - I'm so old that I never really thought about it!

I would probably have know that if J T Button had brought his new book out by now!

It still says on the Butterworths website that it's to be published in October, but I doubt it - I'm sure he's been waiting for the OFT to report, so I doubt if he'll get it out in October now.

Dusty :?


jesus you do read some crap!
try reading something riveting like "in the public interest" by gerald james
you will realise then that we are all pawns to the ruling classes.

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I thought you were the one with the huge licensing law tome on your desk Wharfy!

Aren't the rest of us allowed to have just a teensy-weensy one to have a butcher's at??

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What do you mean by dogma Andy??

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It's just that some councils don't do something, because they have never done it. :(

Adjoining councils have changed, and some times it works out very well. But because the LO has been there for donkey's years, the 'it ain't going to change while I'm here' scenario thrives.

So perhaps hard and fast rules in the main are good, and everyone knows where they stand. But there needs to be a bit of flexibility at times.

Bit like the 12 points and you lose your driving license. I know a few who have had 13 and still kept their driving and HC licenses. It all depends on the individual circumstances at the time.


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What do you mean by dogma Andy??

Dusty


It's just that some councils don't do something, because they have never done it. :(

Adjoining councils have changed, and some times it works out very well. But because the LO has been there for donkey's years, the 'it ain't going to change while I'm here' scenario thrives.

So perhaps hard and fast rules in the main are good, and everyone knows where they stand. But there needs to be a bit of flexibility at times.

Bit like the 12 points and you lose your driving license. I know a few who have had 13 and still kept their driving and HC licenses. It all depends on the individual circumstances at the time.


It's up to the magistrates Andy if you go over the 12 points, a guy over the border form us was driving on 15 points last year.


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No, that's laid out in statue. A council can't say you must be over 21, if the act says 18. From memory Kearns fought a case similar to that, where a council had an age rule different than the 1847 and 1976 acts, and won.



Andy, I meant to say that since European law takes primacy over UK law, then whether the rule in the statute or council rules should make no difference :)

Maybe Gordon should apply for a badge for his son, and if they get stroppy just cite the Treaty of Rome :)

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I thought you were the one with the huge licensing law tome on your desk Wharfy!

Aren't the rest of us allowed to have just a teensy-weensy one to have a butcher's at??

Dusty



of course you are though I wish more would do it but by button?

hes crazy!

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of course you are though I wish more would do it but by button?

hes crazy!

Wharfie


Alas Mr Button is a little too pro council for my liking. :wink:


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of course you are though I wish more would do it but by button?

hes crazy!

Wharfie


Alas Mr Button is a little too pro council for my liking. :wink:


we have a licensing officer called Button! :wink:

yes hes far too pro council!

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of course you are though I wish more would do it but by button?

hes crazy!

Wharfie


How do you mean Wharfy?

I just want a basic law book, Button is about £50, anything else is more than twice that as far as I know.

If JTB has opinions that I disagree with, I'm sure I'll be able to keep my own, but all I want is an exposition of the law.

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Wharfie wrote:
of course you are though I wish more would do it but by button?

hes crazy!

Wharfie


How do you mean Wharfy?

I just want a basic law book, Button is about £50, anything else is more than twice that as far as I know.

If JTB has opinions that I disagree with, I'm sure I'll be able to keep my own, but all I want is an exposition of the law.

Dusty



ahahahhogohoho cant stop laughing ahahhohoeheheg Its Sunday we should have a belly laugh now and again, you are lovely and cuddly,
Button isnt about the law! its like a licensing officer bending the truth!

like Andy said its skewered to local authorities! pay another twenty quid and get the pukka stuff hyde!

dusty you are luverly

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Is that where you get your stuff about the horses and stables and the like??

Err, I think I'll stick to Button!

Seriously though, what's the title of the Hyde book??

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:38 am 
Dusty Bin wrote:
Is that where you get your stuff about the horses and stables and the like??

Err, I think I'll stick to Button!

Seriously though, what's the title of the Hyde book??

Dusty


so you dont believe the stuff about the horses? I think you had better take Jasons lead, and read the book about oil, cos the powers will be having us driving them before long.

By the way we still have horse drawn taxis, particularly Blackpool

LOCAL AUTHORITY LICENSING AND REGULATION BY PHILIP HYDE
BY SWEET AND MAXWELL.

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