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From the driving seat of this new six-passenger taxi – which starts with London’s design rules but aims at markets across the world – there’s eerily little noise intrusion from wind, road or mechanical parts.

The electric motor currently doing the driving is at least three metres away from my ears, wrapped around the rear axle. The 1.3-litre petrol, three-cylinder range-extender engine, set transversely in the nose, is currently silent because we’re well inside the 70-80 mile envelope of electric driving range of the thin, wide battery riding beneath us, so it’s simply not needed.

The aluminium-and-composite construction of the body and chassis around me has dulled the usual road noises, at least on these fairly smooth semi-rural roads of outer Coventry. The familiar shudderings of the well-seasoned steel-bodied black cabs I’ve become used to in London are entirely absent. This, I tell myself, is progress worth paying for.

I’m behind the wheel of the all-new LEVC TX taxi, the one that has just begun taking paying customers in London, and it’s a remarkably enjoyable experience. In a steady state, as I say, it glides. If you gun the accelerator, you get the kind of clean, prompt, powerful response no diesel-and-slushmatic TX4 (the venerable outgoing model) is ever going to provide, and there’s so much forward progress under your foot that you wonder for a second whether it’s all strictly necessary. Perhaps for “Don’t lose that cab!” or “Quick as you can!” scenes from detective films of the old school.

In roundabouts, the car leans a little but grips and turns in willingly like, well, like any other well-engineered saloon. You sit up high, for sure, and have better visibility than any family saloon, but there’s a prominent centre console and an impressively supportive seat (even though the example I’m driving is in the least expensive of three offered trim levels), so there’s still a pleasing sense of security.

I’ve only driven for half an hour, but I’d like to do a lot more. This car feels snug and long-hours comfortable, as it must. Cabbies are likely to spend eight hours behind the wheel amassing 120-150 miles of passenger-toting in a day, split by an hour’s break for lunch and (under the new electric scheme of things) a half-hour tickle worth around 70% of battery charge from one of the growing banks of taxi-dedicated 50kW rapid chargers. I’ve just unplugged our test car from one of the new Chargemaster ‘pumps’ in front of LEVC’s imposing building in the Ansty industrial park, just off the M69 in outer Coventry.

It’s 20 years since I’ve driven a black cab, but the memories aren’t positive. The cramped seat and surroundings and the bodily shudderings will always be memorable, but worst of all was the heavy, wooden steering; any change of direction was a chore.

That’s all changed now. This new TX’s hydraulic, power-assisted, rack and pinion set-up is super-smooth and accurate in your hands and requires just the right amount of heft to accurately position the straight-sided TX in busy city traffic. The fairly small steering wheel and quick ratio – similar in gearing to a Lotus Elise – provides easy access to the super-tight (8.5 metre) turning circle the London taxi authorities have always demanded, which allows the car to reverse direction in tight city back streets.

According to LEVC’s dynamics expert Steve Swift (who I last encountered developing Elises and Exiges at Lotus’s Hethel headquarters), there was initial concern that the quick steering might introduce “sharpness” at speed, but everything I’ve encountered today points to the fact that this car (governed at 80mph) simply doesn’t need any speed restriction – beyond the fact that sustained high speeds blow drastic holes in the cruising ranges of electric cars.

A particular feature is the lack of pitch in this car’s ride, something I find especially impressive because the TX has seating for three adults right over the rear axle, and needs spring/damper rates that can still cope when it’s carrying six rugby players to a game.

In ordinary cars, the gross weight difference between lightly and fully laden would force big compromises in suspension rates, but the TX already carries a 330kg battery under its cabin floor, so the changing passenger loads have less than their usual effects.

The conversation of my passengers, in this case company officials along for my first drive, is plainly audible in the driver’s seat, such is the lack of mechanical noise. When I try the rear seat, the effect is the same. You can have effortless conversations between back and front: try that in your TX4. Or, for that matter, in your taxified Mercedes Vito van, the best of the TX’s opposition. In future, cab-borne passengers seeking perfect privacy while they propose marriage, plan military coups or plot financial takeovers will need to do more than merely mute the microphone…

When you get into the generous passenger cabin (which has space for one more 95th percentile passenger than the outgoing TX4) you can’t help noticing the ease of ingress through the vast door, noting that there’s space not only for a full-size wheelchair to be loaded but for it to be manoeuvred easily inside to face the front, by far the passengers’ preferred direction of travel.

The cabin is durably trimmed with quality bash-proof plastics and yellow grab-handles, but there’s an all-new and impressively detailed control panel (for intercom, window lifts, temperature and more) plus power outlets, USB ports and on-board wi-fi. It’s all of a quality I’ve not seen before. The dynamics are good here in the back too: very little pitching or rolling or noise.

Why, I’m wondering, is this car quite so capable? The answer, I soon learn from LEVC’s chief executive, Chris Gubbey, who recently returned from a successful stint with GM in China, is that the design team was tasked not merely with making a good taxi, but a good car.

It shows. The TX’s construction method – a structure comprising anodised aluminium extrusions, pressings and castings, finished with cold-cured, impact-resisting composite panels – is shared with the likes of Lotus and Aston Martin, while the torsional rigidity of 20 kilonewtons per degree rivals some of the market’s most sophisticated road cars.

The new manufacturing plant, on which a large slice of this project’s £330 million has been spent, certainly gives nothing away to Lotus or Aston Martin. The factory is almost cathedral-like at present while production is still ramping up, but it’ll be a lot busier in a week or two as production moves towards its predicted initial capacity of 150-300 cars per week.

Behind the wheel of the LEVC TX Taxi
We've taken the wheel of the all-new, electrified taxi, and it's surprisingly good

The new cab will be able to cover almost 80 miles on a charge

A 330kg battery pack lies under the cabin floor of the TX

Following TX’s imminent launch, TfL calculates that around 40% of London’s taxis will be zero-emissions capable by end of 2020

Cropley is happy to go south of the river

TX’s body is made from anodised aluminium

Adhesive is used to bond the chassis parts

Clever mode selectors let drivers activate the frugal petrol range extender until they reach zones where zero emissions is mandatory

TX uses proven Volvo powertrain technologies with an all-new EV platform that will eventually carry a commercial vehicle line-up


Steve Cropley Autocar
by Steve Cropley
12 November 2017

We’re gliding. That’s what it feels like.

From the driving seat of this new six-passenger taxi – which starts with London’s design rules but aims at markets across the world – there’s eerily little noise intrusion from wind, road or mechanical parts.

The electric motor currently doing the driving is at least three metres away from my ears, wrapped around the rear axle. The 1.3-litre petrol, three-cylinder range-extender engine, set transversely in the nose, is currently silent because we’re well inside the 70-80 mile envelope of electric driving range of the thin, wide battery riding beneath us, so it’s simply not needed.



The aluminium-and-composite construction of the body and chassis around me has dulled the usual road noises, at least on these fairly smooth semi-rural roads of outer Coventry. The familiar shudderings of the well-seasoned steel-bodied black cabs I’ve become used to in London are entirely absent. This, I tell myself, is progress worth paying for.

I’m behind the wheel of the all-new LEVC TX taxi, the one that has just begun taking paying customers in London, and it’s a remarkably enjoyable experience. In a steady state, as I say, it glides. If you gun the accelerator, you get the kind of clean, prompt, powerful response no diesel-and-slushmatic TX4 (the venerable outgoing model) is ever going to provide, and there’s so much forward progress under your foot that you wonder for a second whether it’s all strictly necessary. Perhaps for “Don’t lose that cab!” or “Quick as you can!” scenes from detective films of the old school.

In roundabouts, the car leans a little but grips and turns in willingly like, well, like any other well-engineered saloon. You sit up high, for sure, and have better visibility than any family saloon, but there’s a prominent centre console and an impressively supportive seat (even though the example I’m driving is in the least expensive of three offered trim levels), so there’s still a pleasing sense of security.



I’ve only driven for half an hour, but I’d like to do a lot more. This car feels snug and long-hours comfortable, as it must. Cabbies are likely to spend eight hours behind the wheel amassing 120-150 miles of passenger-toting in a day, split by an hour’s break for lunch and (under the new electric scheme of things) a half-hour tickle worth around 70% of battery charge from one of the growing banks of taxi-dedicated 50kW rapid chargers. I’ve just unplugged our test car from one of the new Chargemaster ‘pumps’ in front of LEVC’s imposing building in the Ansty industrial park, just off the M69 in outer Coventry.

It’s 20 years since I’ve driven a black cab, but the memories aren’t positive. The cramped seat and surroundings and the bodily shudderings will always be memorable, but worst of all was the heavy, wooden steering; any change of direction was a chore.

That’s all changed now. This new TX’s hydraulic, power-assisted, rack and pinion set-up is super-smooth and accurate in your hands and requires just the right amount of heft to accurately position the straight-sided TX in busy city traffic. The fairly small steering wheel and quick ratio – similar in gearing to a Lotus Elise – provides easy access to the super-tight (8.5 metre) turning circle the London taxi authorities have always demanded, which allows the car to reverse direction in tight city back streets.



According to LEVC’s dynamics expert Steve Swift (who I last encountered developing Elises and Exiges at Lotus’s Hethel headquarters), there was initial concern that the quick steering might introduce “sharpness” at speed, but everything I’ve encountered today points to the fact that this car (governed at 80mph) simply doesn’t need any speed restriction – beyond the fact that sustained high speeds blow drastic holes in the cruising ranges of electric cars.

A particular feature is the lack of pitch in this car’s ride, something I find especially impressive because the TX has seating for three adults right over the rear axle, and needs spring/damper rates that can still cope when it’s carrying six rugby players to a game.

In ordinary cars, the gross weight difference between lightly and fully laden would force big compromises in suspension rates, but the TX already carries a 330kg battery under its cabin floor, so the changing passenger loads have less than their usual effects.



The conversation of my passengers, in this case company officials along for my first drive, is plainly audible in the driver’s seat, such is the lack of mechanical noise. When I try the rear seat, the effect is the same. You can have effortless conversations between back and front: try that in your TX4. Or, for that matter, in your taxified Mercedes Vito van, the best of the TX’s opposition. In future, cab-borne passengers seeking perfect privacy while they propose marriage, plan military coups or plot financial takeovers will need to do more than merely mute the microphone…

When you get into the generous passenger cabin (which has space for one more 95th percentile passenger than the outgoing TX4) you can’t help noticing the ease of ingress through the vast door, noting that there’s space not only for a full-size wheelchair to be loaded but for it to be manoeuvred easily inside to face the front, by far the passengers’ preferred direction of travel.

The cabin is durably trimmed with quality bash-proof plastics and yellow grab-handles, but there’s an all-new and impressively detailed control panel (for intercom, window lifts, temperature and more) plus power outlets, USB ports and on-board wi-fi. It’s all of a quality I’ve not seen before. The dynamics are good here in the back too: very little pitching or rolling or noise.



Why, I’m wondering, is this car quite so capable? The answer, I soon learn from LEVC’s chief executive, Chris Gubbey, who recently returned from a successful stint with GM in China, is that the design team was tasked not merely with making a good taxi, but a good car.

It shows. The TX’s construction method – a structure comprising anodised aluminium extrusions, pressings and castings, finished with cold-cured, impact-resisting composite panels – is shared with the likes of Lotus and Aston Martin, while the torsional rigidity of 20 kilonewtons per degree rivals some of the market’s most sophisticated road cars.

The new manufacturing plant, on which a large slice of this project’s £330 million has been spent, certainly gives nothing away to Lotus or Aston Martin. The factory is almost cathedral-like at present while production is still ramping up, but it’ll be a lot busier in a week or two as production moves towards its predicted initial capacity of 150-300 cars per week.



Why so many cars when London’s taxi population is only 21,000 – many of which survived for Transport for London’s full, legislated 15 years – with as many again distributed across the country? Because this cab is being built for sale and use globally – as far afield as parent company Geely’s native China, where manufacturing is planned. Gubbey says that with more people and shifts, the Ansty production facility could eventually make 24,000 cars a year, to include a whispered-about range of electric light commercial vehicles that would use the same powertrain and underpinnings as the TX.

That’s several years away, though. For now, it’s taxis, and mostly in London at first. Plus – possibly – a new era of squabbling in taxi queues, as customers jockey to be in the new, quiet, comfortable TX. One thing I know from my drive and ride: the victors will enjoy the spoils.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:46 am 
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Well it all sounds good but,with the ever increasing poober which cabby is going to be able to afford it?


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rayggb wrote:
Well it all sounds good but,with the ever increasing poober which cabby is going to be able to afford it?

The issue in London is the cabbies don't have a choice, soon it will be electric or no cab.

Elsewhere you could well be right.

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I drove this new Taxi at the LEVC HQ and I have to say it’s amazing. It is expensive I agree but they really have made a good taxi. Went for a tour around the factory as well and saw them being made. Will have to see ow the drivers who buy them first get on with them and what problems may occur but the drive is way. Power is on tap. Tough the accelerator and your off like a rocket. Was on 60-70 mph before I knew it.


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Looks a bit cramped up front.


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edders23 wrote:

For now, it’s taxis, and mostly in London at first. Plus – possibly – a new era of squabbling in taxi queues, as customers jockey to be in the new, quiet, comfortable TX. One thing I know from my drive and ride: the victors will enjoy the spoils.


Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

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wannabeeahack wrote:

Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

How are driverless cars going to cope with paying to exit airport barriers and assist with the luggage?

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:

Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

How are driverless cars going to cope with paying to exit airport barriers and assist with the luggage?

They are not, and for many other reasons they will never replace people.

In short all this clever people are p***ing their money up a wall, in the same way as many recent Uber investors.

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:

Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

How are driverless cars going to cope with paying to exit airport barriers and assist with the luggage?


But surely the bigger question is, will driverless cars go 'south of the river'? :shock:


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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:

Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

How are driverless cars going to cope with paying to exit airport barriers and assist with the luggage?


And just what will they be like on Snow and ice? Experience counts for more than any Software program, will they crawl at a snails pace in an ever changing set of road conditions?..no comforting word from an experienced driver to reassure you that your going get there safely and on time! Indeed no conversation at all..it'll be Tumbleweed time.

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But surely the bigger question is, will driverless cars go 'south of the river'? :shock:

As long as they don't go south of the wall. :wink:

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:

Will the £50k (?) leccy "London shed" be available or paid for itself before Google/UBER have the driverless cabs on the road?

How are driverless cars going to cope with paying to exit airport barriers and assist with the luggage?


The owner of the driverless taxi will have an account (like a M6 toll tag) so the barriers arent a problem

as for luggage..... let em get the that themselves

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