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 Post subject: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:19 pm 
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Letter in telegraph motoring section.

What are the downsides of fitting a solid flywheel in place of a dual mass?

Answer from expert "More vibration in cabin, and greater strain on first and second gears"

This on a Skoda Octavia.

False economy then?

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:44 pm 
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Can't say that's been a problem here.

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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I put one in an E7/TW200 type motor and you couldn't tell any difference.

I would recommend it to anyone who can fit one.

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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230,000 miles got rid of the DMF at 30 ,000 fitted the single system and have just had to change the clutch only this time about a month ago, Octavia 1.9 tdi


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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E7 182,000 miles currently in garage having its second flywheel fitted, at £800 a pop. Would have done a solid state flywheel, but didn't need to as I don't expect I will keep this one more than another 50k....#someone else's problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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125,000 miles 2008 on a 57 plate old shape skoda octavia still on original clutch there is a bit of shuddering starting in 1st this but doesn't bother me too much


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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some manufacturers now fit de-torque software and solid flywheels from new

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:38 pm 
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had a solid flywheel put in my tx2 had no problems with it (touch wood)


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:48 am 
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Hi I have a taxi repair garage in Perth and fit flywheel conversions all the time.
Last year we did over 30 conversions on skoda octavia cars and have no problems what so ever on cars doing 2000 miles a week on average.
Dualmass flywheels are a fairly recent add on to cars before them we only had solid flywheels. In 30 odd years of the motor trade I have only replace a handfull of solid ones but hundreds of dualmass types.
The solid flywheel clutches contain thrust springs to obsorb sudden torque where dualmass clutches have no thrust springs and require the dualmass to obsorb the torque so in short solid flywheel clutches do the same job better and more reliable as well as being far cheaper.
The octavia flywheel conversion is very easy to do and should be completed in under three hours. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:37 am 
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automech wrote:
Hi I have a taxi repair garage in Perth and fit flywheel conversions all the time.
Last year we did over 30 conversions on skoda octavia cars and have no problems what so ever on cars doing 2000 miles a week on average.
Dualmass flywheels are a fairly recent add on to cars before them we only had solid flywheels. In 30 odd years of the motor trade I have only replace a handfull of solid ones but hundreds of dualmass types.
The solid flywheel clutches contain thrust springs to obsorb sudden torque where dualmass clutches have no thrust springs and require the dualmass to obsorb the torque so in short solid flywheel clutches do the same job better and more reliable as well as being far cheaper.
The octavia flywheel conversion is very easy to do and should be completed in under three hours. :D

That is very useful information. It is the first time I have read the explanation for the difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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Automech, have you fitted any Sach's "planetary" type DMF instead of the std LUK type?

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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Had mine done the other week. Was an LUK unit that was fitted. Garage said they wouldnt use anything else


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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E7fan wrote:
Had mine done the other week. Was an LUK unit that was fitted. Garage said they wouldnt use anything else


course they did.....they want you back soon.............

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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
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Keep you posted, so far so good. Previous one was LUK unit and was in for 100.000mls. There was still loads of meat left on plate, was changed as gearbox was out for summat else and was false economy not to replace while it was out. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Flywheel dillema?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:51 pm 
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Currently on 125,000 with my 09 E7. Will probably need one sooner rather than later. If rattles a bit when I turn the engine off but other than that works fine. It's been 'juddering' for 100,000 miles but you just learn to deal with it (over rev and slip the clutch slightly ! ) I was thinking of replacing it with a SACHS one as these are supposed to be a lot better, although they are approximately £100 more. Not sure you can buy a solid flywheel for the new shape yet. Does any one know any better ?


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