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Surely if a taxi is booked then it doesn't matter where the office is. I've been to Oxford to pick a fare up before now. Having said that if a HC is being flagged outside it's LA area then surely that is illegal as they are not licenced to work that area therefore the law should be upheld.

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Excuse my ignorance but can someboby explain what the problem is here apart from the obvious of HC yet again working PH systems


Nothing stopping HCs working PH systems.

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Excuse my ignorance but can someboby explain what the problem is here apart from the obvious of HC yet again working PH systems


Nothing stopping HCs working PH systems.


I know there's nothing stopping them I share a system with 87 of them but if you want to be PH then be a PH why be both could it be 'having your cake an eatin it'

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Surely if a taxi is booked then it doesn't matter where the office is. I've been to Oxford to pick a fare up before now. Having said that if a HC is being flagged outside it's LA area then surely that is illegal as they are not licenced to work that area therefore the law should be upheld.


A HC accepting a flag down outside its LA is obviously illegal & I don't think anyone would condone that.

It should matter where the office is, otherwise you have the Berwick/Newcastle situation. The office should IMO be in the LA where the HC is licensed.

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At the moment hackney Radio Companies do not need to be licensed.. if they were licensed and all three licences had to be issued by the same council. it would stop the problem.... or so it is believed.....

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Excuse my ignorance but can someboby explain what the problem is here apart from the obvious of HC yet again working PH systems


Nothing stopping HCs working PH systems.


I know there's nothing stopping them I share a system with 87 of them but if you want to be PH then be a PH why be both could it be 'having your cake an eatin it'


And the same could be said vica-versa. Why be PH only when HC gives better utilisation of the vehicle & therefore a better service (by that vehicle) to the public.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Surely if a taxi is booked then it doesn't matter where the office is. I've been to Oxford to pick a fare up before now. Having said that if a HC is being flagged outside it's LA area then surely that is illegal as they are not licenced to work that area therefore the law should be upheld.


A HC accepting a flag down outside its LA is obviously illegal & I don't think anyone would condone that.

It should matter where the office is, otherwise you have the Berwick/Newcastle situation. The office should IMO be in the LA where the HC is licensed.


We have this with Liverpool they don't like us going there to collect passengers who book us. We're their local taxi company it's returning to where they live and lets face it given a choice of £30.00 to go through a tunnel 2 miles long or phoning for a taxi to come from another area to get you and take you to your door for half that fare I know what I'd do.

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Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.


I am aware that Berwick enforcement officers use a van outside their LA & I believe it has some nice flashing lights too.

Stopping & checking Berwick licensed Hackneys outside their own LA sounds a bit 'iffy'.

But observing transgressions by Berwick Hackneys & then acting upon corroborated evidence (by a second enforcement officer) on the following working day, would seem OK.

The only person allowed to stop a hackney or private hire: is a police officer


In that case you better tell our enforcement officers in Brum, because they regularly do spot checks almost always without police participation or assistance.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.


I am aware that Berwick enforcement officers use a van outside their LA & I believe it has some nice flashing lights too.

Stopping & checking Berwick licensed Hackneys outside their own LA sounds a bit 'iffy'.

But observing transgressions by Berwick Hackneys & then acting upon corroborated evidence (by a second enforcement officer) on the following working day, would seem OK.

The only person allowed to stop a hackney or private hire: is a police officer


In that case you better tell our enforcement officers in Brum, because they regularly do spot checks almost always without police participation or assistance.
I did say stop... if you're vehicle is already stopped then they can check it.... but they cannot pull you over and stop you.. only a police officer can do that

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At the moment hackney Radio Companies do not need to be licensed.. if they were licensed and all three licences had to be issued by the same council. it would stop the problem.... or so it is believed.....


And that is the problem that has caused the 'abuse' in Berwick/Newcastle.

What ever the remedy will or will not be, it should not prevent a HC driver from accepting hirings for a future time directly from the public as is the case now.

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MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.


I am aware that Berwick enforcement officers use a van outside their LA & I believe it has some nice flashing lights too.

Stopping & checking Berwick licensed Hackneys outside their own LA sounds a bit 'iffy'.

But observing transgressions by Berwick Hackneys & then acting upon corroborated evidence (by a second enforcement officer) on the following working day, would seem OK.


The only person allowed to stop a hackney or private hire: is a police officer


In that case you better tell our enforcement officers in Brum, because they regularly do spot checks almost always without police participation or assistance.

I did say stop... if you're vehicle is already stopped then they can check it.... but they cannot pull you over and stop you.. only a police officer can do that


Yes; point taken. They do spot checks only on HCs that are already stationary.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
At the moment hackney Radio Companies do not need to be licensed.. if they were licensed and all three licences had to be issued by the same council. it would stop the problem.... or so it is believed.....


And that is the problem that has caused the 'abuse' in Berwick/Newcastle.

What ever the remedy will or will not be, it should not prevent a HC driver from accepting hirings for a future time directly from the public as is the case now.
nobody is trying to do that... nobody is trying to stop a Hackney driver from accepting a booking by phone.... the wording must be right.... you have to remember that what ever is presented.... if excepted in theory.... will then go out to consultation.....

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Excuse my ignorance but can someboby explain what the problem is here apart from the obvious of HC yet again working PH systems


Nothing stopping HCs working PH systems.


I know there's nothing stopping them I share a system with 87 of them but if you want to be PH then be a PH why be both could it be 'having your cake an eatin it'


And the same could be said vica-versa. Why be PH only when HC gives better utilisation of the vehicle & therefore a better service (by that vehicle) to the public.


It's a matter of personal choice I feel safer working PH than I would working HC. Also not all members of the public like HC vehicles for whatever reason

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toots wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Excuse my ignorance but can someboby explain what the problem is here apart from the obvious of HC yet again working PH systems


Nothing stopping HCs working PH systems.


I know there's nothing stopping them I share a system with 87 of them but if you want to be PH then be a PH why be both could it be 'having your cake an eatin it'


And the same could be said vica-versa. Why be PH only when HC gives better utilisation of the vehicle & therefore a better service (by that vehicle) to the public.


It's a matter of personal choice I feel safer working PH than I would working HC. Also not all members of the public like HC vehicles for whatever reason


question... would you want to be working in the same firm with a driver or drivers that where licensed in another area..... which meant that your licensing authority had no control over them... but had control over you....

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