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Now tell me what is wrong with my next statement.... Berwick enforcement officers have a van, which they use in other areas to stop and check licensed Berwick Hackney's.

If that's the case why are the MoM gang trying to amend the authorizing officer's wording? :?


I do not think anyone is trying to amend his wording..... the point being made is that he is out of sync with the rest of the country.... as was said by WB he has turned his licensing department into a flag of convenience...... and I don't think somehow that is what licensing laws were brought in for...
And makes a mockery of everything you preach... :lol:

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Imagine the overtime.... we will be checking on vehicles in Brighton tomorrow....

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Say Berwick lose and Newcastle win, what's stopping those licensed Berwick hackneys suddenly become 'some sottish delimited council's' hackneys?

Would we then have to have a judicial review, or umpteen MoM meetings, to change section 75 2A (a)?

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No.. there will be a special clause... stating the only private hire companies that will accept them are in Brighton and Hove.. happy

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Say Berwick lose and Newcastle win, what's stopping those licensed Berwick hackneys suddenly become 'some sottish delimited council's' hackneys?

Would we then have to have a judicial review, or umpteen MoM meetings, to change section 75 2A (a)?


I'm not sure about the meetings....but we could debate it on TDO for a few years and end up with zero?

People seem to be crying out for change....but dont actually know what change they want.

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People seem to be crying out for change....but dont actually know what change they want.

Change for the good, but not at any cost.

Maybe if some MoM time could be spent on driver's earnings, and driver's safety, and not be manipulated to what's good for LOs and the NPHA, then maybe we might have success.

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People seem to be crying out for change....but dont actually know what change they want.

Change for the good, but not at any cost.

Maybe if some MoM time could be spent on driver's earnings, and driver's safety, and not be manipulated to what's good for LOs and the NPHA, then maybe we might have success.


Driver earnings?

I'm not sure how the MOM can have an impact on driver earnings....fares are calculated locally....but I quite like the idea of a national sytem of calculating fares.

How the MOM can have an impact on PH fares isnt really an issue, because no one can dictate to an operator what he or she wil charge....but you know this and I guess you are being mischevous? :wink:

Safety?

This is obviously paramount.....but the MOM isnt going to educate thugs.

I dont want to go down the road of making CCTV mandatory....because I dont think that should be the case....people should have the choice....as most areas do now.

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Say Berwick lose and Newcastle win, what's stopping those licensed Berwick Hackneys suddenly become 'some Scottish delimited council's' hackneys?

Would we then have to have a judicial review, or umpteen MoM meetings, to change section 75 2A (a)?


Different legislative government, so if they were suddenly 'some Scottish delimited council's Hackneys', IMO they would be just a vehicle in England & not a Hackney, so would not be able to work on a Hackney only dispatch system in England.

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People seem to be crying out for change....but dont actually know what change they want.


Just say for a minute that you have a foreign national with you who is a visitor to this country & you are trying to explain to him the difference between hiring a Hackney Carriage and hiring a Private Hire Vehicle.

Most countries in the world don't have this two tier system of hire vehicles that we have in this country, & I would suggest that you would have more success in explaining the rules of cricket to the foriegn national that you would have explaining our Taxi & PHV regulations, especcially that you can't hire a PHV on the street.

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People seem to be crying out for change....but dont actually know what change they want.


Just say for a minute that you have a foreign national with you who is a visitor to this country & you are trying to explain to him the difference between hiring a Hackney Carriage and hiring a Private Hire Vehicle.

Most countries in the world don't have this two tier system of hire vehicles that we have in this country, & I would suggest that you would have more success in explaining the rules of cricket to the foriegn national that you would have explaining our Taxi & PHV regulations, especcially that you can't hire a PHV on the street.


You have to deal with what you've got.

Do you lower your standards (as you may see it locally) to PH or will they raise theres to yours?

Will any new legislation be so far removed than what we have now?

Will a new system...say of no HC and no PH and merely 'taxis' have say...fares that are uncontrolled?

Somehow I dont think so.

Again the people crying for change dont seem to have the first clue what they actually want.

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That aside, Newcastle have been pretty useless too.

If these vehicles are plying for hire, then Newcastles enforcement should be catching the culprits and getting the courts to give them nine points for no insurance.


In that case why are North Tyneside Council going for Judicial Review?

Aren't they likely to get a severe rap on the knuckles, if they have done sod all to remedy the situation. Or are they saying that nothing can be done by their enforcement officers.

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That aside, Newcastle have been pretty useless too.

If these vehicles are plying for hire, then Newcastles enforcement should be catching the culprits and getting the courts to give them nine points for no insurance.


In that case why are North Tyneside Council going for Judicial Review?

Aren't they likely to get a severe rap on the knuckles, if they have done sod all to remedy the situation. Or are they saying that nothing can be done by their enforcement officers.


I think a certain point has been missed in this.

I have been told you obtain leave for a judicial review....hurdles have to be jumped...jump over enough and then you get a review....fall at any and you dont.

I'm sure someone will correct me if that is wrong....but presuming its right...then someone somewhere must know something.

http://www.lawteacher.net/Judicial%20Review.php
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Do you lower your standards (as you may see it locally) to PH or will they raise theres to yours?

Will any new legislation be so far removed than what we have now?

Will a new system...say of no HC and no PH and merely 'taxis' have say...fares that are uncontrolled?

Somehow I dont think so.


IMO, you either have a full market forces/free market situation, which would include totally uncontrolled fares that would rise & fall with demand, or you have fares set by LAs & a sensible HC licensing policy, in which you issue licences as & when they are needed.

Standards would always have to be to the highest level & not the lowest common denominator.

And there is no point in new legislation, UNLESS it is fit for purpose for the 21st Century.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Do you lower your standards (as you may see it locally) to PH or will they raise theres to yours?

Will any new legislation be so far removed than what we have now?

Will a new system...say of no HC and no PH and merely 'taxis' have say...fares that are uncontrolled?

Somehow I dont think so.


IMO, you either have a full market forces/free market situation, which would include totally uncontrolled fares that would rise & fall with demand, or you have fares set by LAs & a sensible HC licensing policy, in which you issue licences as & when they are needed.

Standards would always have to be to the highest level & not the lowest common denominator.

And there is no point in new legislation, UNLESS it is fit for purpose for the 21st Century.


I actually agree.

But whilst others can cry foul of the 160 year old legislation....is the new act going to be much removed from 'taking your passenger to their destination by the shortest possible route', the driver being 'fit and proper' and the vehicle being ''fit for purpose'?

Somehow, those fundementals are going to remain the same whatever is drafted.....and to be honest...if the result is going to be the same...whats the point?

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MR T wrote:
When was the last time you saw a Berwick licensing officer .. and not being funny.... do you know where Berwick is :wink:


Course we Know where Berwick is...its that little Bit of Scotland that we Scots Didnt want so we stuck it on to the top of Northumberland who as it seems Didnt much want it either...


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