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I was under the impression you were in favour of introducing mandatory working hours hence my assumption that the two go hand in hand. If you are not in favour, which your answer would suggest then I retract the inference that you were.

Regards

JD

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I'm in favour of reducing the working hours BOTH HC and PH drivers HAVE to do in order to earn a decent living.

But I accept that reducing hours will, at the moment, reduce earnings and that is an issue that needs to be addressed ......................... I have previously offered some suggestions that may open the door, but I don't offer them or anything else as a total solution.

B. Lucky

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Well now I'm confused. first I said you are in favour of reducimg working hours and you blew hot and cold and said you are not, and now you state you are in favour of reducing working hours. I'm afraid I'm going to have to retract my retraction because no matter which way you look at it less hours means a reduction in earnings.

Regards

JD

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WTF are you going on about.

What I am saying is very simple.

Drivers work the hours they NEED to work they do not work the hours they WANT to work.

The reduction of hours in the current climate will lead to less takings.

I doubt very much therefore that drivers would work 18 hour shifts if they were making a decent living by working 8 ................... well at least not every day.

What is it YOU want JD ........................ or do you just want to comment on other peoples opinions without (as usual) offering your own.

B. Lucky

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ok I take it you are not in favour of reducing working hours therefore I retract my retraction that retracted my first retraction and reimpose this new retraction, lol.

Regards

JD

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some will NEVER make enough money, its called greed

Just a few examples of Taxis outnumbering private hire in unrestricted areas.

Taxis, PHVs in England & Wales 2007

Taxis P/H/V

Northumberland Taxis 483 P/H/V 338
Castle Morpeth 86 46
Tynedale 158 64
Darlington UA 180 47
Chester-le-Street 92 50
Sedgefield 340 35
Wear Valley 172 36
Redcar & Cleveland UA 300 129
Stockton-on-Tees UA 292 218
Allerdale 135 54
Carlisle 205 56
Copeland 150 35
Eden 90 50
South Lakeland 192 38
Rossendale 155 30
Macclesfield 429 115
Craven 156 10
Hambleton 156 48
Ryedale 37 23
North Lincs UA 215 52
Amber Valley 145 41
Derbyshire Dales 93 57
Erewash 209 26
High Peak 130 96
Ashfield 125 65
Broxtowe 144 40
Gedling 210 59
Newark & Sherwood 81 20
Boston 89 19
South Holland 121 87
South Kesteven 255 24
West Lindsey 63 49
Rutland UA 39 19
Harborough 69 44
Hinckley & Bosworth 105 12
Melton 54 25
Oadby & Wigston 109 22
Daventry 53 16
Cannock Chase 235 8
Oswestry 103 7
Coventry 629 195
Worcestershire 736 174
Worcester 205 79
Wychavon 106 76
Wyre Forest 98 34
North Warwicks. 67 39
Nuneaton 180 72
Warwick 165 0
Breckland 133 43
Great Yarmouth 154 57
Cambridge 282 135
East Cambridge 83 60
Fenland 250 104
Forest Heath 129 30
Mid Suffolk 73 13
Waveney 142 30
Broxbourne 226 114
Dacorum 219 141
East Hertfordshire 169 32
North Herts. 225 107
St Albans 222 103
Watford 213 92
Brentwood 209 42
Maldon 79 12
Rochford 215 33
Tendring 313 33

The list goes on and on.

Regards

JD

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How many of those HC taxis are also on PH systems?

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Do you mean radio systems? I don't think hackney carriage drivers call their radio systems "private hire systems".

Regards

JD

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you mean there are HC-only and PH-only circuits?

that ignores the fact that in some areas the main point of a PH plated vehicle is to carry 8 passengers and be able to charge more as against fixed HC meter rates

Castle Morpeth and Tynedale are both in Northumberland.

I would also point out that -

Firstly there doesn't seem to be any City Councils in your list.

Secondly, the authorities you list probably haven't seen HC numbers overtake PH numbers since deregulation and I would suggest very few of these councils have ever regulated numbers.

I can though tell you that I said few because Chester le Street still restrict numbers and have always had significantly more HC than PH ................. but there again in Chester le Street the vast majority of drivers work through an office.

This shows numbers not growth, and your one tier crusade should show growth in HC and reduction in PH to hold water.

B. Lucky

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Driving hours is just the Tip of the Iceberg for us Small Operators...as well as having to Drive all hours to make a living theres Many more Hours spent on Car Care, Car Maintainance, Paper work and other sundry jobs...for ever 40 hours driving im guessing theres another 20 Non driving hours as part of the Business...not to mention all the hours spent waiting on people. 100 hour weeks are nowt...it aint even Minimum wages we Self employed Owner Drivers get...but do we grumble????


Of course we do !!!!!!!!!

A neighbouring borough, Gosport, deregulated recently. There appears to be a reduction in the number of PH and an increase in HC.

An FOI request for numbers on, say, 1st January each year since 2003 would show you the trends. Also make a diary note to get the figures each year for the next few years.

My feeling is that HC will increase while PH declines due to the added attraction of being able to respond to a hail, whilst still having the benefits of a radio circuit.

Our borough has a massive number of HC as against PH. We are a radio circuit of 70 owner/driver vehicles, all HC, all making a living. [at the moment!!]

As I have attempted to elucidate on numerous occasions over the years, numbers, working hours and earnings will all follow the rules of supply and demand. An imbalance in one factor will result in individuals entering or leaving the market until the equilibrium is restored. No one factor can be artificially controlled without affecting the remaining factors in a market where the consumer has a choice, ie buses, walking, own cars, etc.

In other words, you will either accept the market conditions dictating your hours and earnings or you will leave the business. Simple as that.

/waffle over!

Out of the 13 district councils in Sussex only 4 now restrict.

Out of those four Hastings, Eastbourne and Mid Sussex have loads more PH than HC.

B&H has a few more HC than PH.

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