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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:40 pm 
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Maybe so, but I'm putting you in her father shoes.

Oh and let me tell you something.

If I was that girls father, and I knew the lengths the council had went to to stop a safer mode of transport operating on the streets, Collin Keir would be the one getting raped - :twisted: I'd make sure of it.


A safer mode of transport would possibly to allow saloon vehicle to ply for hire, allow them roof signs, make them all hackney carriages and drop the restrictive knowledge test.

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Quality controls CC, we've said it all before . . . you sell your professionalism, that's what the punter pays for.

You make the test harder but pull the plug on plates. If you pass the test you have the choice: own or drive.

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A safer mode of transport would possibly to allow saloon vehicle to ply for hire, allow them roof signs, make them all hackney carriages and drop the restrictive knowledge test.

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Like Dublin?

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Oh and no artificial plate value . . . .

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A safer mode of transport would possibly to allow saloon vehicle to ply for hire, allow them roof signs, make them all hackney carriages and drop the restrictive knowledge test.

CC


Like Dublin?


This conversation is not about some wee lassie being raped, it's about vested interests.

Just ask CC?

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Quality controls CC, we've said it all before . . . you sell your professionalism, that's what the punter pays for.

You make the test harder but pull the plug on plates. If you pass the test you have the choice: own or drive.


Thats restrictive, the PH trade are already licensed and what you suggest will still permit rapes.

The easy viable solution is to allow the PH trade to respray their vehicles a uniform colour and become licensed hackney carriages, easily identifiable with illuminated roofsigns and door stickers.

The door stickers could have the council logo on and state taxi.

The roofsign could even have the telephone number of the company on the reverse.

The knowledge is almost a thing of the past with sat nav anyway, but even if you keep it, I'm quite sure a good few hundred PH drivers would be interested in changing codes if they can bring their old saloons too.

We did it in Carlisle and its been fabulous, admittedly the council are a bit tight with ranking space, but since weve hardly any private hire anymore we dont have to worry about illegal plying for hire!!

I wonder why nobody has had this idea before?

Has your council any policy towards the ambient disabled?

I think I'm onto something here you know, I see an article in the offing!

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Quality controls CC, we've said it all before . . . you sell your professionalism, that's what the punter pays for.

You make the test harder but pull the plug on plates. If you pass the test you have the choice: own or drive.


Thats restrictive, the PH trade are already licensed and what you suggest will still permit rapes.

The easy viable solution is to allow the PH trade to respray their vehicles a uniform colour and become licensed hackney carriages, easily identifiable with illuminated roofsigns and door stickers.

The door stickers could have the council logo on and state taxi.

The roofsign could even have the telephone number of the company on the reverse.

The knowledge is almost a thing of the past with sat nav anyway, but even if you keep it, I'm quite sure a good few hundred PH drivers would be interested in changing codes if they can bring their old saloons too.

We did it in Carlisle and its been fabulous, admittedly the council are a bit tight with ranking space, but since weve hardly any private hire anymore we dont have to worry about illegal plying for hire!!

I wonder why nobody has had this idea before?

Has your council any policy towards the ambient disabled?

I think I'm onto something here you know, I see an article in the offing!

CC


But can the Ph, pick up if hailed in the street?

The knowledge is only a thing of the past if it doesn't evolve. There's all sorts of transferable qualification you could be made to pass before you pass your brief.

The higher the standard the greater the restriction to those entering the trade, but it's fair, and not artificial.


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But can the Ph, pick up if hailed in the street?

The knowledge is only a thing of the past if it doesn't evolve. There's all sorts of transferable qualification you could be made to pass before you pass your brief.

The higher the standard the greater the restriction to those entering the trade, but it's fair, and not artificial.


Less division and more unity, it's the only way.


Your missing the point.

The PH trade in Edinburgh are of the same standard as the HC trade in almost all respects apart from the knowledge test.

I cant imagine many private hire drivers raping someone because they get lost, but even then, either insist on sat nav or insist on some type of knowledge test.

Private hire is traditionally a route into hackney carriages anyway.

Your local councils policy is discriminatory towards a percentage of the population, because the only vehicles they license some people have difficulty getting into. If you need the court cases on this I'm sure skippy could help, although theres the sneddon case, so it might happen next month anyway. But theres a case from Newcastle which might help.

Obviously the current policy in terms of vehicles needs to be changed and you need a more diverse fleet of taxis, vehicles for everyone, saloons for those nice pensioners, saloons for people with arthritis and broken legs who find access into larger taxis either impossible or very difficult.

Indeed, I think I could make a pretty decent argument saying your current policy makes people hire PHV's because they cant due to their disability get into hacks!

You say you need more taxis....simply bring in some uniform standards for saloons, such as a colour policy, a standard type of top sign, doorsigns etc.

This will solve a number of issues that you raise, it certainly solved them here.

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But can the Ph, pick up if hailed in the street?

The knowledge is only a thing of the past if it doesn't evolve. There's all sorts of transferable qualification you could be made to pass before you pass your brief.

The higher the standard the greater the restriction to those entering the trade, but it's fair, and not artificial.


Less division and more unity, it's the only way.


Your missing the point.

The PH trade in Edinburgh are of the same standard as the HC trade in almost all respects apart from the knowledge test.

I cant imagine many private hire drivers raping someone because they get lost, but even then, either insist on sat nav or insist on some type of knowledge test.

Private hire is traditionally a route into hackney carriages anyway.

Your local councils policy is discriminatory towards a percentage of the population, because the only vehicles they license some people have difficulty getting into. If you need the court cases on this I'm sure skippy could help, although theres the sneddon case, so it might happen next month anyway. But theres a case from Newcastle which might help.

Obviously the current policy in terms of vehicles needs to be changed and you need a more diverse fleet of taxis, vehicles for everyone, saloons for those nice pensioners, saloons for people with arthritis and broken legs who find access into larger taxis either impossible or very difficult.

Indeed, I think I could make a pretty decent argument saying your current policy makes people hire PHV's because they cant due to their disability get into hacks!

You say you need more taxis....simply bring in some uniform standards for saloons, such as a colour policy, a standard type of top sign, doorsigns etc.

This will solve a number of issues that you raise, it certainly solved them here.

CC


No, your missing the point.


It's the knowledge test, the vehicle type, the roof hire light and the ability to pick up off the street.

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No, your missing the point.


It's the knowledge test, the vehicle type, the roof hire light and the ability to pick up off the street.


And all three can be achieved with a saloon vehicle.

These vehicles are by reports in abundance in Edinburgh and your current council policy is discriminatory towards various sections of society.

Simply bring in a colour policy, make the saloons have roofsigns of a uniform standard, add some doorsigns with the edinburgh logo and you have a new Edinburgh licensed cab.

Has nobody suggested this in the past?

If you start allowing saloons on a good number of PH will willingly change codes and pass your knowledge test, because the truth is, they are doing the same jobs now.

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replace the Berwick on the sign with edinburgh 8)

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No, your missing the point.


It's the knowledge test, the vehicle type, the roof hire light and the ability to pick up off the street.


And all three can be achieved with a saloon vehicle.

These vehicles are by reports in abundance in Edinburgh and your current council policy is discriminatory towards various sections of society.

Simply bring in a colour policy, make the saloons have roofsigns of a uniform standard, add some doorsigns with the edinburgh logo and you have a new Edinburgh licensed cab.

Has nobody suggested this in the past?

If you start allowing saloons on a good number of PH will willingly change codes and pass your knowledge test, because the truth is, they are doing the same jobs now.

CC


You're preaching to the converted.

I am all for the Ph, passing the knowledge test while driving a vehicle which is easily identifiable by its roof sign - saloon or otherwise.

The public want continuity - a one size fits all approach.

You can count me in as long as no vested is dictating the outcome.

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Skull wrote:

You're preaching to the converted.

I am all for the Ph, passing the knowledge test while driving a vehicle which is easily identifiable by its roof sign - saloon or otherwise.

The public want continuity - a one size fits all approach.

You can count me in as long as no vested is dictating the outcome.


No I am starting to be of the opinion that every licensed private hire vehicle should have the option of bringing their vehicles over to the HC trade.

I still aint sure about the knowledge test, because sat navs are seemingly quite good, and that aside our new super duper autocab system has a map thingy on the datahead!

Not sure about one size fits all......the vehicle choice should be huge.

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Yes, the criteria should be quality and choice - for drivers and the public.

The two tier system is a nonsense. It is just a fudge, a muddle that causes confusion.

PH were supposed to be private arrangements between customer and supplier. By allowing them to instal meters, and data systems, the now operate like pseudo taxis. Taxis in all but name.

The trade representatives should be addressing this.

If PH drivers, vehicles and companies are good enough to operate like taxis, then they should be allowed to do so in a single tier system with the market deciding who survives.

In fact, in a de-restricted market there is already nothing to stop them meeting the criteria and operating as taxis. Except the restriction on vehicle choice of course.


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Why didn't she get a bus home ?
Why didn't she get a train home ?
Why are the Skull and Jasbar not banging on about the lack of the above ?
Why has Jasbar not mentioned the lack of the above forms of public transport at that time of night in his letter ?


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Why didn't she get a bus home ?
Why didn't she get a train home ?
Why are the Skull and Jasbar not banging on about the lack of the above ?
Why has Jasbar not mentioned the lack of the above forms of public transport at that time of night in his letter ?


Doesnt suit his argument, but neither does total deregulation, they want just enough to still have a value and be able to sell on :roll:

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