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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:30 pm 
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things are not rosey but they would be worse with more taxis end of.....


2500 drivers driving cabs is still 2500 drivers driving cabs, whether they have one each or one between two.

Single shifters have flexibility when to work and when not to. Double shifters do not.

Owner drivers do not have extortionate rents to find on top of making a wage and up here they don't need a second mortgage to get a plate.

In Aberdeen, the vast majority of cabs are single shifted and usually driven by the owner.
Bring in a limit and competition will not decrease by a single cab.
It will follow the Edinburgh model where new drivers will end up renting shifts from owners, increasing competition and diluting what work there is. PH will increase as well, since they can't be limited.

Limits don't achieve anything except create a value for the plate - or maintain it. They don't limit competition, just change the way that the competition operates.
They do discourage retiring drivers from handing back their plate when they leave the trade. Sale of plates is illegal in Scotland and since we don't have the large amounts of corporate held plates Edinburgh has, we wouldn't have this problem. They would hire them out instead.
Nice earner for them at the rest of the trade's expense.

Control entry of drivers to the trade and you control competition. A driver's badge can't be sold, lent, rented out or double shifted.
It doesn't matter how many cabs there are because empty cabs are no competition.


Gotta agree with you there Gus regarding badges.....But when the profiteers who don't even know the make of meter in the cab let alone, drive it, ask such a small sum from drivers just enough to run the vehicle and pocket some pin money...limits on plates would eradicate such operators hence free up ranks...it's all a tax dodge at the end of the day..i've never believed in the second income squad squeezing what they could from our Trade... :sad:


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Callum McCaig, of Aberdeen City Council’s licensing committee, said last night: “If we have to limit the number of taxi licences, there would be repercussions to the services in the city centre and at the airport.”


A typical answer from an I'm all right jack who gets full council pay and a nice pension and most probably a few brown envelops to go with them


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Callum McCaig, of Aberdeen City Council’s licensing committee, said last night: “If we have to limit the number of taxi licences, there would be repercussions to the services in the city centre and at the airport.”


A typical answer from an I'm all right jack who gets full council pay and a nice pension and most probably a few brown envelops to go with them


Yeah, but is he right?

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It's time the taxi trade grew up.

I don't hear the banks saying there should be a restriction on banks. O rjoiners saying that their numbers should be restricted. Or electricians. Builders. Corner shops. Newsagents. Butchers.

No, what these folks do is present their wares to the consumer and the consumer makes the choice. They don't choose you then you're not good enough, ta ta.

Why do taxi drivers think they should be any different?

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If business is bad because of the recession, which our trade saw coming 18 months ago, then isn't it sensible to do something about it rather than bleating?

Like doing private airport runs, it only takes minimal advertising.

Like delivering parcels for mail order companies.

Like delivering flowers.

Schools runs.

Take aways.

Contract yourself to companies for staff transfers.

The potential is enormous.

All you need is some gumption, some drive and your own vehicle. Which is precisely what restriction stops you from doing.

Restriction stifles enterprise.

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I'm not going to argue with you Jim, you have your thoughts set in stone and no matter how rational my argument is, you always turn it round to suit yours. What I would say Jim is, and I've touched on this before, wre is your support from the poor over worked drivers then ? No support because the drivers know that if you ever get your way, what has happened in Aberdeen will surely happen in Edinburgh and it's bad enough as it is here, so no thank you very much! Have a nice night Jimbob! :D


No support? Then no one would apply for a licence when the cap is lifted would they?

So, what's your problem. Let's lift the cap and see who has the support?

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Why haven't they already ?And why don't you try to get driver support to back you i wonder? Surely they all can't be classed as being stoooopeeeeed? :D


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Why haven't they already ?And why don't you try to get driver support to back you i wonder? Surely they all can't be classed as being stoooopeeeeed? :D


Maybe they just don't want to find themselves without a cab. :wink:

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Maybe they just don't want to find themselves without a cab. Wink
nope we are just happy the way it is :D


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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

Rant over.


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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

Rant over.


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Nope, and thats an answer from someone who doesn't have an answer because they know what I wrote is the truth of the matter tbh. :wink:


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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

Rant over.


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Nope, and thats an answer from someone who doesn't have an answer because they know what I wrote is the truth of the matter tbh. :wink:


Utter pash.
You are the one with no answers except "lets just leave the corrupt system alone cos it suited me just fine".

You're a dinosaur, and you know what happened to them :wink:

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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

Rant over.


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Nope, and thats an answer from someone who doesn't have an answer because they know what I wrote is the truth of the matter tbh. :wink:


Utter pash.
You are the one with no answers except "lets just leave the corrupt system alone cos it suited me just fine".

You're a dinosaur, and you know what happened to them :wink:



Not at all, I'm protecting my livelyhood against chancers like you, it's good to see from the replies I've recieved how they smacked you straight in the chest, because all you've written back is the same old standard tosh you write back to anyone who disagrees with your new world order plans, if I walked into a football club and decided to tinker with it I'd get told to F/Off PDQ what makes you think you have the right to interfere with something that doesn't really concern you, nobody says you can't have a plate, only you made that decision because you don't think it's right to buy in if you want in, nothing is for free in life mate, it might be a benefit book country but among the workers there is a knowledge that you have to speculate to accumulate but you seem unprepared to do that.


Lets roll on a few years and assume you got your way on things, what comes next, you insist the Government buys you a car, the petrol station has to provide you with free fuel for the week? you and your kind are just killing the country off slowly, not noticed how many kebab and curry houses pack into one road? that's because anyone can open one and everyone does, the difference is they work a community thing where the empty one is kept going by the full one, if there's such a thing now, us, we're one man operations, we have to earn to pay our bills on our own, you are so nieve to the ways of the world it's frightning, your arguement just doesn't hold up, ppl like me know ppl like you, and we know that when things drop off to the point it's not worth doing anymore you will just walk on the trade and leave it facing many years of trouble clearing up the mess you caused.


I know you won't agree and I'm not gonna sit here for the next 2 weeks trying to educate you, so take this as my full and final answer to you, from someone whose been there and done it, and your way does not work end off.


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Here we ****ing go again, all you fair and free for all merchants, why don't you offer asylum seekers free lodgings in your houses? after all isn't it you lot who advocate free stuff for all, c'mon open up your door and invite someone in to stay for free, when the teapot is empty you might understand it's because too many ppl needed a drink, you really sicken me, there is one thing and one thing only going on between you and that is to destroy any profit in the cab trade.

Why can't you just be honest and admit it, you want something that has always had a value for nothing, once you have it you will see it's now as worthless as what you paid for it and will move on to bust up something else that always worked long before you arrived.

How about this suggestion, if any plates are to be issued they must be issued to any owner who can supply a brand new £35k LTi vehicle, after all we can't have the paying public riding around in old stock can we, it'd be against their human rights wouldn't it, I bet you ain't got the bottle to go into £42k including interest payments to satisfy your desire to be an owner driver have you, ok to slip in the backdoor with £2k of cast off cab though isn't it, it shows you lot out the abusive way a plate was issued and then sold, how can you say not fair and then when someone allows you what you wanted you sell it.

Right now you lot think you are being clever, but what goes around comes around, this could bite you in the arse in future when some upstart tears down your life because he knows how to legal challenge ppl, never before has the UK been so full of theiving ***ts, it's a real shame we stopped Adolf, if he'd won none of you would've existed in either body or being and all this PC [edited by admin] we have now would be unheard of.

Rant over.


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Nope, and thats an answer from someone who doesn't have an answer because they know what I wrote is the truth of the matter tbh. :wink:


Utter pash.
You are the one with no answers except "lets just leave the corrupt system alone cos it suited me just fine".

You're a dinosaur, and you know what happened to them :wink:



Not at all, I'm protecting my livelyhood against chancers like you, it's good to see from the replies I've recieved how they smacked you straight in the chest, because all you've written back is the same old standard tosh you write back to anyone who disagrees with your new world order plans, if I walked into a football club and decided to tinker with it I'd get told to F/Off PDQ what makes you think you have the right to interfere with something that doesn't really concern you, nobody says you can't have a plate, only you made that decision because you don't think it's right to buy in if you want in, nothing is for free in life mate, it might be a benefit book country but among the workers there is a knowledge that you have to speculate to accumulate but you seem unprepared to do that.


Lets roll on a few years and assume you got your way on things, what comes next, you insist the Government buys you a car, the petrol station has to provide you with free fuel for the week? you and your kind are just killing the country off slowly, not noticed how many kebab and curry houses pack into one road? that's because anyone can open one and everyone does, the difference is they work a community thing where the empty one is kept going by the full one, if there's such a thing now, us, we're one man operations, we have to earn to pay our bills on our own, you are so nieve to the ways of the world it's frightning, your arguement just doesn't hold up, ppl like me know ppl like you, and we know that when things drop off to the point it's not worth doing anymore you will just walk on the trade and leave it facing many years of trouble clearing up the mess you caused.


I know you won't agree and I'm not gonna sit here for the next 2 weeks trying to educate you, so take this as my full and final answer to you, from someone whose been there and done it, and your way does not work end off.


More pash. I'm not the one looking for the government to protect me from competition. If that doesn't work, what you gonna try next?
Get off your *rse and sort your problems, instead of crying in your beer and bleating on about immigrants and spongers.
Make your council enforce decent driver standards, before they make you extinct

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