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Private hire vehicles can be licensed anywhere... the market is the whole of the country.. some people are now working in the 21st century with equipment and systems that are evolving daily , The private hire trade will continue to grow despite the caveman attitude of certain members of this trade, the market is not local but national, you have to look at the bigger picture because I can assure you other people with a great deal of money most certainly are.... Sefton for many years had between 17-18 hundred private hire....
how long did it take Tesco to go from the corner shop to the biggest supermarket store in this country........ while people in the taxi trade make their little plans ..... some body will be making much bigger plans.. remind me.... don't bus companies train their drivers...

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[quote="cabbyman"]When the f*ck are you lot going to get it?????




In our borough, we have some 250 H and only 30-ish P; A ratio of over 8:1. One of the protagonists against deregulation on here is in a city where regulation has permitted the growth of what is probably one of the largest PHV companies in the country.


That will be me, and I'm afraid you are wrong on that, it became what it was for a number of reasons, mainly they the Leng boys invested in technology while everyone else sat on their backsides counting Mondays exce's money, they also have 3 PH plate barons currently operating and have had 5 over the years licensing cars they never drive, so in effect firms within a firm, as the UK born driver filter out at least one baron decided to advertise in Eastern Europe for drivers to fill his empty seats, adding to the immigration problems, now before this get me accused of racism I don't care who drives out there with me, but I do care if they are theiving ***ts, one Kurd nearly got his head kicked in yesterday (not by me I might add) sitting on a rank refusing ppl because the job wasn't good enough, added to quoting £17 for a £5 journey, and then telling the guys it's his car and he'll do whatever jobs he feels like, everyday I hear a story about Indian's quoting £40 to Waterlooville and wanting it upfront so they don't have to fire the meter, and not to be outdone we now have inherited a UK born driver who also thinks £25 to Mother Kelly's is a fair quote, and he came right close a few days ago to being seen to, anyway back to Aqua, it's now become such a monster with no real control going on, customers complain about staff attitude, not being picked up, and almost every non o/d car looks like it's been rammed, a right sorry state infact, and Fareham isn't working deregulated is it, I see you all over ranking outside Chicago Rock, there's way too many of you for a small area like Fareham, especially as you have to effectively share with Gosport's cabs as well, Sussex is right about standards, but you won't get good standards if it becomes open to all and a shrinking customer base is being raced after all night, personally I think the job is finished, between the nightclubs shoving the Navy out over here and the purse rapists before long ppl will walk everywhere or car share with a designated driver, there's more regulation now that there ever was, and there's more problems now, because something that wasn't broken got repaired by ppl who know sod all about cab driving, to sum up, the fact of the growth of Aqua proves that if you can get licensed you will and ppl will put cars on when there's no demand for them, and most of them will never hold the wheel of the cars they own, this town worked better when ppl had a choice of firms, both for drivers and customers, all the personal service is gone, and so are the guy's that used to work for the firms, replaced by opportunist who don't care about anything other than how much they can rook ppl for, it even happens to me, the trip I take goes £4.50, but depending on who picks me up it can go as high as £6, as I give them more than £6 the honest guy ends up £2 better off than the thief.


I've got a message for firm owners anyway, you're almost finished, as they swept up the firms into one big one, that call centre firm in Coventry? will eventually finish the lot off, and why? 10p a job instead of £120 pw, tata.


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The only people to flourish in the PH industry are the operators not the drivers :-|

Then best those drivers wake up and smell the coffee.

I will give anyone who reads this some free advice, if the operator you are working with is no good, then either leave them and join another, and if that option isn't available then leave the trade and do something else.

No-one owes the trade a living.

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The only people to flourish in the PH industry are the operators not the drivers :-|

Then best those drivers wake up and smell the coffee.

I will give anyone who reads this some free advice, if the operator you are working with is no good, then either leave them and join another, and if that option isn't available then leave the trade and do something else.

No-one owes the trade a living.


Some people don't have the luxury of just being able to jack it all in. Some just have to plod on and work longer hours. If there are no other jobs available and you have no skills you're kinda stuffed really so it's not as easy as you might suggest :-|

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Private hire vehicles can be licensed anywhere... the market is the whole of the country..


Not here it isn't..........

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Some people don't have the luxury of just being able to jack it all in. Some just have to plod on and work longer hours. If there are no other jobs available and you have no skills you're kinda stuffed really so it's not as easy as you might suggest :-|

What is your solution then? :?

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Some brief comments in response to Doom:

Limited HC numbers allowed the PH to flourish. If sufficient HC had been available to service customers, they wouldn't have needed to start making phone calls to PH.

Our rank outside Chicago moves fairly fast. I've hit the third leg of the 'snake' in the adjoining bus station and been gone again within 15 minutes. But, there are other ranks available: Station, West St/High St, Stubbington, Titchfield, Swanwick Station, Warsash, all move like other ranks but, some guys are scared to use them in case they make a wrong call. I use any rank; Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong; That's what makes the job exciting!! But, I know that all my competition is HC, some, like me, working for companies and groups.

We serve our community and our customers. Funnily enough...it seems to work!!

The council held meetings a couple of weeks ago to which everyone was invited, HC & PH. Less than 10% turned up to what were very informative events. Many have said they regret missing it and will come along next time.

There is concensus regarding more stringent quality and disciplinary controls which maintain the high standards of which, I believe, the majority of the 'fleet' are proud. Indeed, I understand a joint 'spot check' with an adjoining borough recently resulted in 3 of our cars being mentioned out of about 20-30 caught overall. The licencing team were pleased and proud as were we, the licencees.

To summarise, get the service right and the business flows. That's how your PH competition did it!!


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Some brief comments in response to Doom:

Limited HC numbers allowed the PH to flourish. If sufficient HC had been available to service customers, they wouldn't have needed to start making phone calls to PH.

Our rank outside Chicago moves fairly fast. I've hit the third leg of the 'snake' in the adjoining bus station and been gone again within 15 minutes. But, there are other ranks available: Station, West St/High St, Stubbington, Titchfield, Swanwick Station, Warsash, all move like other ranks but, some guys are scared to use them in case they make a wrong call. I use any rank; Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong; That's what makes the job exciting!! But, I know that all my competition is HC, some, like me, working for companies and groups.

We serve our community and our customers. Funnily enough...it seems to work!!

The council held meetings a couple of weeks ago to which everyone was invited, HC & PH. Less than 10% turned up to what were very informative events. Many have said they regret missing it and will come along next time.

There is concensus regarding more stringent quality and disciplinary controls which maintain the high standards of which, I believe, the majority of the 'fleet' are proud. Indeed, I understand a joint 'spot check' with an adjoining borough recently resulted in 3 of our cars being mentioned out of about 20-30 caught overall. The licencing team were pleased and proud as were we, the licencees.

To summarise, get the service right and the business flows. That's how your PH competition did it!!




I know trade is better over your way, but if you look at it this way more affluent ppl live over there, I know from the last time we deregulated all it did was added 87 more mouths to feed, PH didn't shrink infact it was around 1994 that it really started to expand, last time I worked Aqua was a couple of years before, there was about 20 of us at the time, and by 1994 Ron was pushing to get the company up to 100 cars, then he was going to cap it when it hit 200, then he started buying companies up and now sits with somewhere around 600 cars iirc, back when the town was busy I worked for SAS and we had 55 cars at the peak, there was about 10 other firms in the city who with the exception of Solent never topped much more than an average of 30 cars each, so in the late 80's the PH fleet was 350 cars tops, I think there's something like 700 now, so thats double the fleet for less work as I'm sure you are aware all the proper venues have been shut and replaced with psudo clubs that are located next to stations and ferries, also there's no pub out anymore, and not a lot of movement during the 6pm - 11pm shift, also as I said earlier the Guildhall has managed to shift out the best trade which is the Navy lads, which I would think has played right into your hands now, I know one of the lads left us a while back to come over to you as he couldn't make his payin each week and said it was a waste of time, and Bob Minter did it years ago before his health started to decline, I always wondered why he sold his plate and switched boroughs, but then again he's an articulate man so it shouldn't suprise me.


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Private hire vehicles can be licensed anywhere... the market is the whole of the country..


Not here it isn't..........
Enjoy it while you can..... by my reckoning a great deal of this country including yours is about 10 years behind the front runners...... when it comes to you I'm sure it will be a surprise..... but hold out while you can...... Removal of numbers just makes it that little bit easier for them...... the mobile phone is what controls taxi now.....

You are on the train ..... you want a taxi to pick you up at the next station... certainly sir.... it will be two minutes...... and a lot cheaper than a hackney...... :lol:

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MR T wrote:
Private hire vehicles can be licensed anywhere... the market is the whole of the country..


Not here it isn't..........
Enjoy it while you can..... by my reckoning a great deal of this country including yours is about 10 years behind the front runners...... when it comes to you I'm sure it will be a surprise..... but hold out while you can...... Removal of numbers just makes it that little bit easier for them...... the mobile phone is what controls taxi now.....

You are on the train ..... you want a taxi to pick you up at the next station... certainly sir.... it will be two minutes...... and a lot cheaper than a hackney...... :lol:


Ye but then you find your being met by a guy who can't speak English and who doesn't have a clue how to get you home. Not only that he's eyeing up your erkey! Good for some i suppose, not so good for others! :lol:


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gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
Private hire vehicles can be licensed anywhere... the market is the whole of the country..


Not here it isn't..........
Enjoy it while you can..... by my reckoning a great deal of this country including yours is about 10 years behind the front runners...... when it comes to you I'm sure it will be a surprise..... but hold out while you can...... Removal of numbers just makes it that little bit easier for them...... the mobile phone is what controls taxi now.....

You are on the train ..... you want a taxi to pick you up at the next station... certainly sir.... it will be two minutes...... and a lot cheaper than a hackney...... :lol:



I kinda agree, but tbh isn't this the crux of it all, price, we're 25% undercut here, it would be justified if we were expensive to start with, but how cheap do ppl want it for christ sake, so if we really do have to improve into this century as ppl put it, lets have a level board to go with it, ONE fare scale for all, all on METERS, this will ensure good service won't it? being the Witherspoons of the road doesn't mean good, it just means, beat up cars and pedal jocks with a poor attitude brought on by lack of spare money to invest in tool upgrades.


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ONE fare scale for all, all on METERS,


I can see why you would say that, but, if they did that there would be little point in PH companies so all should be taxis. How many PH would be converted to taxis then, putting your regulation in a bit of a delicate position :D

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